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Woj: Don to the Cavs for Markkanen, Agbaji, Sexton, three unprotected 1sts, two swaps, and a partridge in a pear tree.

HeatCheck said:
Agreed. Sexton and Agbaji also signed to 4 year affordable deals. Agbaji signed to a 4 year rookie contract on top of it.

I'm fully prepared for Don to really go off at least the first season in Cleveland. Danny really got some nice assets in the deal though, esp when you add in those unprotected/swap picks in '28/'29.
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I'm happy we took this trade and not the Knicks trade. The talent we received from the Cavs is superior. Two solid, proven scorers and a RC who could be a good Royce replacement (and no more Snyder to play him out of position).

I'll say it again: the Jazz are going to have to trade a few more players in order for us to tank. I see us with 4-5 more 1sts which is amazing.

It's going to be an interesting season - there are a lot of question marks and changes.

The good news is Hardy has zero pressure on him this season.
 
HeatCheck said:
Agreed. Sexton and Agbaji also signed to 4 year affordable deals. Agbaji signed to a 4 year rookie contract on top of it.

I'm fully prepared for Don to really go off at least the first season in Cleveland. Danny really got some nice assets in the deal though, esp when you add in those unprotected/swap picks in '28/'29.
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I'm not sure that Don will "go off" this year. They don't have a lot of outside shooters on their team for spacing. Lauri helped a lot last year, and even though he was their fifth highest scorer IIRC, he was key to spacing the floor. Basically they now have Garland and Mitchell who are consistent and shoot 3s at an above average percentage. Okoro is just ok from deep. Not sure how much Love has left in the tank. LeVert is inconsistent and average at best.

So Mitchell will likely need to rely on inside and mid-range scoring. Mobley has not been a good screener, and Allen is probably about as good as Whiteside on screens (doesn't commit, skinny base, moves too soon, etc.).

I'm sure Don will do fine, and Garland will get him the ball. Don will be and will get his points, but I expect his percentages may drop, especially as they team and Don adjust to each other.
 
The irony with NY is that had they used their lottery pick this year and not swapped it for 3 lousiwr picks... they would have jump started our rebuild. Ochai was exactly the trick to finish the deal with the cavs.
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
The irony with NY is that had they used their lottery pick this year and not swapped it for 3 lousiwr picks... they would have jump started our rebuild. Ochai was exactly the trick to finish the deal with the cavs.
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They did that to dump salary to get Brunson but I understand what you are saying.
 
TheGoldStandard said:
I'm not sure that Don will "go off" this year. They don't have a lot of outside shooters on their team for spacing. Lauri helped a lot last year, and even though he was their fifth highest scorer IIRC, he was key to spacing the floor. Basically they now have Garland and Mitchell who are consistent and shoot 3s at an above average percentage. Okoro is just ok from deep. Not sure how much Love has left in the tank. LeVert is inconsistent and average at best.

So Mitchell will likely need to rely on inside and mid-range scoring. Mobley has not been a good screener, and Allen is probably about as good as Whiteside on screens (doesn't commit, skinny base, moves too soon, etc.).

I'm sure Don will do fine, and Garland will get him the ball. Don will be and will get his points, but I expect his percentages may drop, especially as they team and Don adjust to each other.
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I agree with you 100% regarding his long term fit on that team. I'm not even sure Garland and Don are a great fit and there is going to be some issues with gravity on that team. I just feel that Don is going to come to camp in shape this year and put forth maximum effort on both ends during the honeymoon phase.
 
Man work has been way to busy and sooo much to read the past several weeks but I know on this site and friends I know first asked me what I thought of Agbaji and last week when the trade first happened I was wondering if a more athletic Desmond Bane might be a good comp? I mean that was my first thought/player that popped into my head.

But after catching up and reading about comps for Agbaji, I was wondering if another comp might be Tim Hardaway Jr with more defense? Either way both very valuable pieces if you have your main stars in place.

Also about Lauri, he is going a bit crazy on his national team (Finland) he is just 25 so he fits the time line and should have all the minutes he can handle to keep him happy. So now the only question is will he be happy on a rebuilding team for a couple of years? I know last summer many people on here were trying to get Lauri on the Jazz to replace Bogey so I thought there might be more happiness in getting him then I've read so far.

I was surprised to read Sexton's offensive numbers as I don't watch CLE and thought Sexton more of a defensive PG who can score a little.

I know many have said even NYK B- offer they had was better than the CLE offer (which I don't agree with) which I'm guessing is because the NYK unprotected picks would likely be better. However NYK was only giving 2 and they were right away and the Jazz weren't looking for those they wanted those years out in 27, 28, 29 unprotected which the NYK were not offering. So to me those immediate 23 and 25 picks from NYK versus those from CLE 2025, 2027 and 2029, plus pick swaps in 2026 and 2028, the unknown in those 2027, 28 (swap) and 29 has extreme value if the Jazz hit on the rebuild they use them to keep adding cheap rookie contracts to a contending team that may not be able to afford everyone. Or they use them as that valuable unknown to get that final piece, like CLE is hoping they just did.

Yes CLE will be better than the NYK but the Jazz aren't getting their immediate picks so who is to say after 2025 how good CLE will be and what those two swaps in 2026 and 2028 will be like and what those 2027 and 2029 will be. As others have mentioned CLE and MIN historically have not been good, so yes they both could be good for the next 2-3yrs but history says the Jazz made the smart bet on the long term of those to franchises.
 
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Man work has been way to busy and sooo much to read the past several weeks but I know on this site and friends I know first asked me what I thought of Agbaji and last week when the trade first happened I was wondering if a more athletic Desmond Bane might be a good comp? I mean that was my first thought/player that popped into my head.

But after catching up and reading about comps for Agbaji, I was wondering if another comp might be Tim Hardaway Jr with more defense? Either way both very valuable pieces if you have your main stars in place.

Also about Lauri, he is going a bit crazy on his national team (Finland) he is just 25 so he fits the time line and should have all the minutes he can handle to keep him happy. So now the only question is will he be happy on a rebuilding team for a couple of years? I know last summer many people on here were trying to get Lauri on the Jazz to replace Bogey so I thought there might be more happiness in getting him then I've read so far.

I was surprised to read Sexton's offensive numbers as I don't watch CLE and thought Sexton more of a defensive PG who can score a little.

I know many have said even NYK B- offer they had was better than the CLE offer (which I don't agree with) which I'm guessing is because the NYK unprotected picks would likely be better. However NYK was only giving 2 and they were right away and the Jazz weren't looking for those they wanted those years out in 27, 28, 29 unprotected which the NYK were not offering. So to me those immediate 23 and 25 picks from NYK versus those from CLE 2025, 2027 and 2029, plus pick swaps in 2026 and 2028, the unknown in those 2027, 28 (swap) and 29 has extreme value if the Jazz hit on the rebuild they use them to keep adding cheap rookie contracts to a contending team that may not be able to afford everyone. Or they use them as that valuable unknown to get that final piece, like CLE is hoping they just did.

Yes CLE will be better than the NYK but the Jazz aren't getting their immediate picks so who is to say after 2025 how good CLE will be and what those two swaps in 2026 and 2028 will be like and what those 2027 and 2029 will be. As others have mentioned CLE and MIN historically have not been good, so yes they both could be good for the next 2-3yrs but history says the Jazz made the smart bet on the long term of those to franchises.
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Sexton is not a good defender due to lack of size and strength, but he plays hard and decent man defense, but gets exploited on switches.

He was learning to avoid screens before his injury, but still went under the screen too often. His team defense could use improvement. Scoring is not his issue, not is hustle, so hopefully he will see improvement under Hardy.

With all of the trades, there has been little focus on the new coach. I really hope to see more defensive focus as well as more options on offense to keep defenders guessing and tire them out. We will see...
 
TheGoldStandard said:
Sexton is not a good defender due to lack of size and strength, but he plays hard and decent man defense, but gets exploited on switches.

He was learning to avoid screens before his injury, but still went under the screen too often. His team defense could use improvement. Scoring is not his issue, not is hustle, so hopefully he will see improvement under Hardy.

With all of the trades, there has been little focus on the new coach. I really hope to see more defensive focus as well as more options on offense to keep defenders guessing and tire them out. We will see...
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Get real dude. No one is as bad as Sexton when their issues are just size.

****ing Jose Alverado was out there locking dudes up and he's a pipsqueak.

Sexton is a bad defender on all fronts. He does some fake hustle/effort stuff, but it isnt real locked in and engaged defense. Hopefully he can improve that. Some of it may just be symptoms of being on ****** teams were no one gives a **** and everyone is playing for themselves, idk.

Sexton isn't that small. He's got a 6'7.25 wingspan and a 8'2.5 standing reach. That's about average, if not slightly above average, for NBA PG's.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Get real dude. No one is as bad as Sexton when their issues are just size.

****ing Jose Alverado was out there locking dudes up and he's a pipsqueak.

Sexton is a bad defender on all fronts. He does some fake hustle/effort stuff, but it isnt real locked in and engaged defense. Hopefully he can improve that. Some of it may just be symptoms of being on ****** teams were no one gives a **** and everyone is playing for themselves, idk.

Sexton isn't that small. He's got a 6'7.25 wingspan and a 8'2.5 standing reach. That's about average, if not slightly above average, for NBA PG's.
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I'll say it again, you sound like someone who only looks at stats and hasn't watched him play. I've watched a lot of Cavs games.

His biggest issue with one on one matchups regarding size is his strength/weight, not so much length. You'll see what I'm talking about when you see him suit up for the Jazz. And unless he turns a corner, you'll see him play poor team defense too, but not for a lack of effort.

Not sure if he had bad coaching or just has low bbiq.
 
//r00t 4 Jazz said:
Yes CLE will be better than the NYK but the Jazz aren't getting their immediate picks so who is to say after 2025 how good CLE will be and what those two swaps in 2026 and 2028 will be like and what those 2027 and 2029 will be. As others have mentioned CLE and MIN historically have not been good, so yes they both could be good for the next 2-3yrs but history says the Jazz made the smart bet on the long term of those to franchises.
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Agreed. Cleveland and Minnesota both went all in to try and capitalize the window they have with their current group and depleted their asset bases in the process. Neither of those teams will ever be able to attract marquee free agents and they won't have very much financial or roster flexibility going forward after adding Donovan and Rudy. Not to mention neither can improve through the draft because they traded away the majority of their picks. They basically have to hope that they contend with their current group like we just attempted to do with Bojan/Conley around Rudy/Donovan.

New York has obviously been a dumpster fire for a while but if they landed Donovan it may have awoken a sleeping giant. They're one of the few franchises in the NBA along with the Lakers, Nets, Celtics, etc. that doesn't need draft picks to build a contender because their market will always be attractive to free agents. Especially considering that Donovan likely would've committed to the Knicks long term which would've made them a much more attractive destination for free agents.

I'm assuming that Danny's decision making process was based on the fact that Donovan is almost guaranteed to leave Cleveland in 2025 which could mean that the 2026, 2027, 2028, and 2029 picks are all near the top of the lottery.
 
Part of the appeal of those picks far in the future is that you can have that asset for a while and thus you have some added ... optionality™ and ability to use those picks in variety of ways. Lets say we indeed have great 23 and 24 drafts and we get what seems to be 2 stars with those. Then in the summer of 25 we will have UTA 25->32, MIN 25, 27 and 29, CLE 25, 27, 29, pick swaps... all those can be used to add another star... or hell even two stars to our supposed 2 stars already on the roster. In essence we can do what Cleveland did... except, we will actually have the assets to add 2 Donovan Mitchell level players. And still be left with most of our own picks.

Or... those picks can be used to maneuver around the draft and get a player or two our FO really likes(we all remember the reports that Ainge offered 4 picks for Justise Winslow in that draft - ignore the actual player here because he bust, but we will have the option to do it if we really like someone)....

Or... we can just wait on those picks and use them to reinforce the team in those years. Imagine having a 2 out of 3 good drafts in 2023, 2024 and 2025 and you look like a team on the rise or even competitor in those 25-29 years... Well, you will be able to add real cheap young talent to round up your roster...

Or... you can combine all of those depending on what the situation requires.

There are just so many different things we can do with those picks.
 
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