Didn't Woj report that the Knicks offered Barrett/Robinson/Toppin and 3 unprotected 1sts in July?
Yes, that was some major spin and damage control from Leon Rose.
Didn't Woj report that the Knicks offered Barrett/Robinson/Toppin and 3 unprotected 1sts in July?
He did but I have serious doubts about this. Woj is CAA represented and IMO this was damage control he delivered for his CAA buddies Leon Rose and Wwilliam Wesley. Ian Begley had a report at the time(early-mid July) that this package was demanded by the Jazz and rejected by the Knicks, which is the opposite to what Woj is reporting now. It's weird to say that but in this case I trust Begley's report more than Woj's simply because it was done so much later and conveniently it was done right when the Knicks and their CAA execs were being slaughtered in the media for not doing enough to land Mitchell.Didn't Woj report that the Knicks offered Barrett/Robinson/Toppin and 3 unprotected 1sts in July?
He did but I have serious doubts about this. Woj is CAA represented and IMO this was damage control he delivered for his CAA buddies Leon Rose and Wwilliam Wesley. Ian Begley had a report at the time(early-mid July) that this package was demanded by the Jazz and rejected by the Knicks. It's weird to say that but in this case I trust Begley's report more than Woj's simply because it was done so much later and conveniently it was done right when the Knicks and their CAA execs were being slaughtered in the media for not doing enough to land Mitchell.
Yeah it paints a weird picture because if that's really how the negotiations unfolded, Leon let his pride get in the way of a deal getting done. No other reason you'd decline sending less assets than you had already put onto the table.This. Also, have some ****ing pride. Why would you leak to the media that you offered way more earlier in the process than the final offer you declined? Leon Rose is a huge clown for that.
Even the B Knicks offer is better than the Cavs A offer. We don’t know exactly what was on the table from the Knicks after the Barrett extension, but neither did the Jazz. They just got sick of the process so they pulled a trigger on the first thing that met their nominal demands (3 unprotected 1sts).I am torn between A+ and A. In essence we got the Gobert trade for Mitchell too. The only reason I have hesitation is whether or not we could have gotten even more from NYK.
MIN 25 = CLE 25
MIN 26 swap = CLE 26 swap
MIN 27 = CLE 27
MIN 29 < CLE 29 (Cleveland pick is unprotected, MIN is top 5 protected)
MIN 23 <= CLE 28 swap
#22 pick in 2022 draft(Walker Kessler) < #14 pick in 2022 draft(Ochai Agbaji)
Patrick Beverley
Jared Vanderbilt
Malik Beasley
Leandro Bolmaro
vs
Collin Sexton
Lauri Markkanen
So if we were elated by the Gobert trade, I have no idea why we wouldn't be about this one... This is a pretty amazing return and fits our priorities and goals in the short and the long term.
Even the B Knicks offer is better than the Cavs A offer. We don’t know exactly what was on the table from the Knicks after the Barrett extension, but neither did the Jazz. They just got sick of the process so they pulled a trigger on the first thing that met their nominal demands (3 unprotected 1sts).
I still think they could’ve gotten 2 unprotected, a 2028 top-5 protected pick, another team’s protected pick (or two), a swap (or two), and Fournier/Quickley/Toppin.
Jazz would’ve returned less win now talent and earlier picks, which is better for a clean tank and rebuild.
But whatever. I get it. If Donovan’s passive-aggressive “leadership” and proclivity to leak his displeasure does to the Cavs what it did to the Jazz, then the deal levels out some. But the Knicks were gonna miss the playoffs with Donovan next year and I really would’ve liked that pick for a kickstart to the rebuild (and another one of their too-many 2023 protected picks).
Fouriner/Quickly/Toppin with only 2 picks would've been terribleThat’s not a better offer.
From the Knicks it is and for our timeline it is.That’s not a better offer.
When Sexton averaged 24 ppg the Cavaliers still only won 22 games. Vegas currently has us tied for the 4th lowest win total with the Thunder at 26.5From the Knicks it is and for our timeline it is.
Even the B Knicks offer is better than the Cavs A offer. We don’t know exactly what was on the table from the Knicks after the Barrett extension, but neither did the Jazz. They just got sick of the process so they pulled a trigger on the first thing that met their nominal demands (3 unprotected 1sts).
I still think they could’ve gotten 2 unprotected, a 2028 top-5 protected pick, another team’s protected pick (or two), a swap (or two), and Fournier/Quickley/Toppin.
Jazz would’ve returned less win now talent and earlier picks, which is better for a clean tank and rebuild.
But whatever. I get it. If Donovan’s passive-aggressive “leadership” and proclivity to leak his displeasure does to the Cavs what it did to the Jazz, then the deal levels out some. But the Knicks were gonna miss the playoffs with Donovan next year and I really would’ve liked that pick for a kickstart to the rebuild (and another one of their too-many 2023 protected picks).
Yep, Agree with this. This is not a better offer.That’s not a better offer.