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John Stockton Claims He Had Proof of 1000 Athletes Dying of Vaccine

LogGrad98 said:
Should be painfully obvious. The Internet and the rise of social media, the birthplace of hatred and confirmation bias.
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This.

It also creates a distrust of established experts and expertise. Why listen to doctors who might say something that I disagree with when I can quickly go onto Facebook and find any quack who’ll tell me what I want to hear. If everyone is an expert then no one is. My surface level expertise is just as good if not better than your deep level expertise because all expertise is the same because I easily found info on social media that I agree with.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Should be painfully obvious. The Internet and the rise of social media, the birthplace of hatred and confirmation bias.
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I’m not disagreeing with this but the internet/social media is the tool to post hate, not an event. I was asking for an event or situation where it stoked this much anger.
 
The Thriller said:
Good post.

This really accelerated under Gingrich. He taught fellow Republicans how to obstruct and demonize political opponents. Bush exploited racial, social, and cultural fissures within American society with his campaigns against McCain in South Carolina, Kerry in 2004, and various cultural issues (like gay marriage). I remember being called anti American on the campus of UVSC for asking where the WMDs were in Iraq.

The 2008 campaign once Palin entered the arena became a nasty contest. The GOP invited the kooks and crazies that Palin attracted into the pool. She brought it energy that older Republicans (like mccain) lacked. This was a mistake as It’s been eating their establishment faces off ever since. Even today a large segment of the GOP believes Obama isn’t an American citizen. When simple facts aren’t recognized and stupidity and emotional are values more than expertise and evidence, then compromise and governing become impossible.

After 2012’s loss, the GOP conducted an autopsy that has obviously been ignored. It essentially stated that the party needed to become less mean, less rigid ideologically, and more welcoming to women and minorities. Ignoring this sound advice has only increased the right’s extremism.

In 2016, they won not by appealing to the majority of the electorate, but by juicing the base and winning the EC. Trump combined with other factors like Fox News and social media, has led to a continued denigration of norms. Which brings us to today where Republicans can’t even elect a speaker of the House. Folks like Boebert and Gaetz are fighting with MTG.

The problem therein lies in the GOP’s base that has become radicalized. They then demand radicalized bomb throwers to “own their enemies.” Once they elect bomb throwers, Fox News radicalizes the base further and the base demands even more radicalized bomb throwers.

The radicalization of one of the major political parties in this country comes at a time where local news is dying. People become less connected to their communities as they don’t follow local news. Everything becomes a win/lose mentality because all news and politics becomes nationalized. People find their echo chambers on social media which keeps them ignorant of topics, believing the worst of their neighbors, and unable to crucially think. All this contributes to a more divided country. Social media really makes things worse as people seek to have their views confirmed and seek connection with others. Often, the connection they find is fool’s gold and it leads to further radicalization.
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So your response was it’s because of the right? Only the right? The reason there is this much hate is because of:
Gingrich
Bush
Palin
Winning by EC
Trump
GOP

The left is perfect. They are all inclusive and care about everyone. They are the party of Love. No hate coming from the left.

Even if you really believe that, not one of those events brought as much hate as Covid.
 
Bucknutz said:
So your response was it’s because of the right? Only the right? The reason there is this much hate is because of:
Gingrich
Bush
Palin
Winning by EC
Trump
GOP

The left is perfect. They are all inclusive and care about everyone. They are the party of Love. No hate coming from the left.

Even if you really believe that, not one of those events brought as much hate as Covid.
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The left isn’t perfect but the primary reason for the political and social upheaval in America has been the radicalization of the right and its political party. What do you see as the left’s role in this? Fighting for civil rights for LGBTs? This has been a sticking pt for many conservatives where I live. Often, things the right finds divisive is equality. It’s part of living in a multicultural democracy that has fueled anger because it’s perceived as infringing on their own rights and privileges when in reality it’s merely extending those same rights and privileges to others. I’m interested to hear what you have to say about the left’s role.

The base has rejected multiculturalism, democracy, and has created an alt reality (Covid is the flu, Obama is a Kenyan Muslim, CRT is being taught in schools, elections aren’t fair, Biden is a socialist, build a wall to stop immigrants, etc). The party leadership for decades has eroded democratic norms and demonized its opponents in way that just drive wedges in-between people (began with Gingrich). The recent (failed) midterms and the inability to choose a speaker right now speaks volumes as to how radical the base and party has become. This has come to a head at a time of demographic and technological change and the loss of local newspapers. All of this contributes to a more divided, less informed, and more disconnected society.

I provided you with reading sources, many of them conservatives who have been calling out extremism from their own side. Many of the sources I cited are political scientists and historians, experts in their fields. I’d suggest you read up on your country’s and party’s own history before you continue to be dismissive in this discussion. Perhaps one of the reasons why the country is so divided is because conservatives complain about division but then dismiss what others say? Taking a critical view of American society and struggling democracy might reveal unsavory truths about one’s party, society, technology, and how it has failed to accept changing economy and demographics.

The funny thing here is, it’s not just America that’s seeing democratic erosion and the rise of a radicalized right. See Brexit in the UK, Le Pen in France, Orban in Hungary, Bolsonaro in Brazil, etc. these movements have been years in the making (like America since Gingrich) and have relied on the same handful of issues that have contributed to the radicalization of the right and the division of society; changing economies, changing technologies, rejection of changing demographics, rejection of reality and the creation of alt realities through propaganda, and narcissism. Francis Fukuyama’s new book details this well if you’re interested in reading about other countries:
Amazon product ASIN 0374606714View: https://www.amazon.com/Liberalism-Its-Discontents-Francis-Fukuyama/dp/0374606714
 
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One Brow said:
No one event, but there has been a deliberate campaign to increase the partisanship in this country since Gingrich in 1994.
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I agree with this.
One Brow said:
Online, I saw increasing levels of hatred at the elections of both Obama and Trump. To a lesser degree, GWB. Covid19 may have accelerated the process slightly, but it's been building for over 2 decades.
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Agree, polarization has been getting worse over time.

One Brow said:
For a couple of decades, I've been told I supported child murder (vaccination), pedophilia (LGBTQ+ positions), and racial hatred (hope that's obvious). In my personal life, I have seen no increased animosity, but I have a small social circle. All this is nothing new to me.
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Yes small events, that affected (affected/effected I’m terrible when it comes to these 2 words) sections of the population.

When I made the comment about what situation in 2000-2019 happened to bring out this much hate and what the actor was getting at was Covid was a massive issue for everyone. Unlike some people in this forum believe, Covid was not a 2 party political fight. It was not left vs right.

During the last 20 years there has not been a situation that affected every single person. We took kids out of school. We shut down businesses. We canceled weddings. We couldn’t attend funerals. People were laid off. Stopped allowing people to attend church. There were restrictions of state to state travel. We could not visit family. Could not take kids to the park. People arrested at the beach.
This was personal. Each and every person was effected. Not politics. People on the left/right who had their business shut down were upset because they lost their income stream and wanted the lockdowns lifted at the same time people on the left/right who worked for the government didn’t mind the lockdowns because they still had a paycheck. People who had paychecks coming in were lashing out on people wanting to go back to work to receive money to live. Again not political but financial.

Yes politics and policies started to add to this massive fire. Left leaning states kept up the lockdowns. Conservative states eased up on them. Yet the average citizen watched as the ruling class didn’t follow the rules in their states. Little more political but more of citizen vs ruler politics that upset everyone who is not a ruler.

Vaccines was the turning point when it became more political yet extremely personal. Health, compassion, mandates, travel, entering businesses(daily life), keeping jobs or side effects all influenced people’s decision to get vaccinated or not. It was a personal decision.

Yet the hate was the worst it has been. Online, in person, with family, at work, at church or social groups. More so than any event in 2000-2019. I think the only other times in American history was independence from England, Civil War, WW2 and Civil rights.

All other examples do not affect everyone personally. LBGT- nope, Border - nope, WMD - nope, online hate - nope, radicalized political parties- nope. President- nope. All of these things can bring hate but not at the degree of what Covid brought.
 
Bucknutz said:
I’m not disagreeing with this but the internet/social media is the tool to post hate, not an event. I was asking for an event or situation where it stoked this much anger.
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I disagree. Something as world-changing as the advent of the Internet qualifies as an event.

Besides, what we are seeing is the culmination of decades of slow burn as politicians have become more and more partisan, and their focus has completely become about re-election. It is a boiling the frog scenario. COVID was more of a tipping point than the single catalyst.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I disagree. Something as world-changing as the advent of the Internet qualifies as an event.

Besides, what we are seeing is the culmination of decades of slow burn as politicians have become more and more partisan, and their focus has completely become about re-election. It is a boiling the frog scenario.
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You disagree with me not disagreeing? ;) If the “internet” was an event then that was in 1983. The internet is always evolving so I don’t know how you call it a real event.

I have not once disagreed with the “slow burn” with any poster. I completely agree with it.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I disagree. Something as world-changing as the advent of the Internet qualifies as an event.

Besides, what we are seeing is the culmination of decades of slow burn as politicians have become more and more partisan, and their focus has completely become about re-election. It is a boiling the frog scenario. COVID was more of a tipping point than the single catalyst.
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It’s also not just isolated to America and it didn’t just begin spring of 2020. The UK, France, Germany to a certain extent, and Hungary are all experiencing similar symptoms and have been for years.
 
fishonjazz said:
Exactly. My wife stubbed her toe yesterday and so obviously i started questioning if it was due to the vaccine. Soft *** anitvax facists lol


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SteakNEggs said:
When has stubbing your toe been linked to heart inflammation and blood clots?
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This interaction and the subsequent replies remind me of JazzyFresh, who famously had trouble grappling with hypotheticals. I've even read somewhere that It's a running theme in many conservative individuals.
 
One Brow said:
For a couple of decades, I've been told I supported child murder (vaccination), pedophilia (LGBTQ+ positions), and racial hatred (hope that's obvious). In my personal life, I have seen no increased animosity, but I have a small social circle. All this is nothing new to me.
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Gee. It’s almost as if people who disagree with you have deliberately misrepresented your view by utilising hyperbolic rhetoric to vilify you eh.
 
Such a dumb view to claim he has proof of 1000 athletes dying from the vaxx. There isn’t any.

There is a massive issue of excess deaths generally though which is yet to really be addressed or taken seriously.
 
Douchebag K said:
Gee. It’s almost as if people who disagree with you have deliberately misrepresented your view by utilising hyperbolic rhetoric to vilify you eh.
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I think you have reason to feel that way. I never expected anything else. That's what people do.

My point was that I didn't start my posting to join a club or get approval, and I don't post for that now. If anything, I'm less likely to contribute to a thread where people are saying the same things I would say.
 
One Brow said:
I think you have reason to feel that way. I never expected anything else. That's what people do.

My point was that I didn't start my posting to join a club or get approval, and I don't post for that now. If anything, I'm less likely to contribute to a thread where people are saying the same things I would say.
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ok
 
Safetydan said:
This interaction and the subsequent replies remind me of JazzyFresh, who famously had trouble grappling with hypotheticals. I've even read somewhere that It's a running theme in many conservative individuals.
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I guess if you've constructed a fantasy world that you've adopted as your reality you can't just go around freely imagining other possibilities. You've got to repeat your affirmations (Stolen election, voter fraud, Hunter Biden's laptop, lock her up, SOCIALISM!!!, males pretending to be females to win at sports, CRT...) so much already just to maintain the illusion.
 
Gameface said:
I guess if you've constructed a fantasy world that you've adopted as your reality you can't just go around freely imagining other possibilities. You've got to repeat your affirmations (Stolen election, voter fraud, Hunter Biden's laptop, lock her up, SOCIALISM!!!, males pretending to be females to win at sports, CRT...) so much already just to maintain the illusion.
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I've heard that it's derived from a lack of empathy that tends to be higher in those circles. I personally think it's a synergistic dynamic between the lack of empathy and low intelligence. The combination of the two makes it uncomfortable to attempt to imagine scenarios and lived experiences that aren't one's own. Add a little dash of Dunning-Kruger and we get the typical modern conservative.
 
Safetydan said:
This interaction and the subsequent replies remind me of JazzyFresh, who famously had trouble grappling with hypotheticals. I've even read somewhere that It's a running theme in many conservative individuals.
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Meh, I respectfully ask that this place leave me out of your hypotheticals from here on out please(little did you know i was OBVIOUSLY being facetious back at such a ridiculous hypothetical that you missed it not me(the irony)). I want NO part in the hatred, flat out insecurity, and childish "tribalistic" bully tactics that I've seen on full display here from a few, not all, of you. I wish you all the best but you're too angry over nothing. Going off on weird conservative rants or whatever that diatribe was. I mean wtf was that crazed Trump like rant about? I was going to let it go but my jaw hit the floor at the amount of bigoted hatred this place feeds off of. And you speak of intelligence, how insulting... It's rather disappointing. It's no wonder the county is so divided, I refuse the fuel it.


I'll stick to Jazz talk. Keep stubbing them toes because you were vaxxed(I'm being facetious again for those who "can't grapple"). Again I wish you dudes the best and have no Ill will towards you because we all think differently. Cheers dudes
 
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Safetydan said:
I've heard that it's derived from a lack of empathy that tends to be higher in those circles. I personally think it's a synergistic dynamic between the lack of empathy and low intelligence. The combination of the two makes it uncomfortable to attempt to imagine scenarios and lived experiences that aren't one's own. Add a little dash of Dunning-Kruger and we get the typical modern conservative.
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...Or maybe Hunter Biden's laptop was real, CRT or similar variants of identitarianism do appear to be in fashion right now in some parts of our culture, and the prevalence of biological males/females pretending to be the opposite gender is at statistical all-time highs. If there is a dose of Dunning-Kruger being exhibited, it is in those expressing cope to deny the obvious or misdirect with irrelevant details such being wrong about motivations to dismiss the reality of pretending to be the opposite gender.
 
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