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Why Lauri Will Be Here a While - Renegotiate and Extend

infection said:
I saw we were down 19 to OKC at the half and that Lauri wasn’t playing and I knew the tank was on. It not only ushered in the great and dreadful day of the tank but it also brought back Numberica.
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Nothing dreadful about it other than it took damn near all year to get the tank right.
 
Renegotiate and extend only makes sense if we are unable to put that 25mil to work that offseason. I understand not wanting to let Lauri make it to free agency but at the same time the goal is to build a championship team so if we can put that 25mil to work adding one or two really good pieces to put around Lauri then I think it is worth the risk to wait and give him the huge contract in 2025.
 
sip said:
Renegotiate and extend only makes sense if we are unable to put that 25mil to work that offseason. I understand not wanting to let Lauri make it to free agency but at the same time the goal is to build a championship team so if we can put that 25mil to work adding one or two really good pieces to put around Lauri then I think it is worth the risk to wait and give him the huge contract in 2025.
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I think we can get Ed Davis, Jeff Green and Favors with that salary!!
 
sip said:
Renegotiate and extend only makes sense if we are unable to put that 25mil to work that offseason. I understand not wanting to let Lauri make it to free agency but at the same time the goal is to build a championship team so if we can put that 25mil to work adding one or two really good pieces to put around Lauri then I think it is worth the risk to wait and give him the huge contract in 2025.
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I doubt we can find a better use than using it to retain our best player. We don’t even need to use it all. Just use enough that you can bump the following year salary to the max.
 
I`ve been thinking about this for a few days and tried crunching some numbers. Next season`s salary cap is projected to be $134 million. Projections for future years vary wildly, but with the new cap smoothing regulations in the CBA, I use fixed 10% raises for these calculations.

If Lauri plays out his current contract and signs a new 4 year max deal with max raises with us, his total salary for the five seasons after the next will be $237 million (Option A below). If we renogotiate and extend by giving him the full max in 2024-2025 (Option B) we can match this total salary while still going a lot lower in the following years.

A: 18,05 - 48,6 - 52,5 - 56,7 - 61,3
B: 44,22 - 47,8 - 51,6 - 47,8 - 46

With option A, Lauri will take up 28,9% of the salary cap in 2027-2028. With option B, he will take up 24,3%. In 2028-2029, the percentages are 28,4 and 21,3.

These differences are huge and may be the difference between us avoiding the 2nd apron or not if - or when - we get our next very good team. With the descending salary he should also be a very nice trade piece if he have to pivot again, as long as he plays well and avoids injuries. He also very well might take a bit less as we help him earn more money earlier. a 5/$200 renegotiation and extension would be a fantastic deal for the Jazz.
 
Swuul said:
Lauri has said countless times money is not the reason he plays basketball. He has also stated already in 2019 he has made more money than he is ever going to spend. I understand very well the thought of having "enough" money is a totally alien concept for americans, and that of course Lauri will take what he thinks he deserves, but talking about the "big payday" being *the* deciding factor is laughably hilarious.

Lauri loves being in Utah and play for the Jazz. He will make his best to see the team succeed. When the time comes to decide where he continues his career, the first thing he considers is to stay with Jazz, but not if Jazz has decided to go on tanking with no hope of better when Lauri still is in his prime. No amount of money Jazz could or would to offer at that point would matter anything, only whether he considers Jazz are for real competing.

This season is a lost cause; if Jazz would make it to the play-offs, I am going to be absolutely blown off (and I bet I wouldn't be the only one). Next season seems like a lost cause too, even though the organisation will give a green light for the team to fight their butts off to get to the play-offs; it just ain't gonna happen with majority of the team being rookies and sophomores. I bet Lauri understands that very well, and is ready for that, but if the team during summer 2025 still does not make any moves to get together a winning team, it would devour the morale of anybody.
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The only thing rich people want that they don't have, is more money.
 
Hedda Gambler said:
I`ve been thinking about this for a few days and tried crunching some numbers. Next season`s salary cap is projected to be $134 million. Projections for future years vary wildly, but with the new cap smoothing regulations in the CBA, I use fixed 10% raises for these calculations.

If Lauri plays out his current contract and signs a new 4 year max deal with max raises with us, his total salary for the five seasons after the next will be $237 million (Option A below). If we renogotiate and extend by giving him the full max in 2024-2025 (Option B) we can match this total salary while still going a lot lower in the following years.

A: 18,05 - 48,6 - 52,5 - 56,7 - 61,3
B: 44,22 - 47,8 - 51,6 - 47,8 - 46

With option A, Lauri will take up 28,9% of the salary cap in 2027-2028. With option B, he will take up 24,3%. In 2028-2029, the percentages are 28,4 and 21,3.

These differences are huge and may be the difference between us avoiding the 2nd apron or not if - or when - we get our next very good team. With the descending salary he should also be a very nice trade piece if he have to pivot again, as long as he plays well and avoids injuries. He also very well might take a bit less as we help him earn more money earlier. a 5/$200 renegotiation and extension would be a fantastic deal for the Jazz.
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Even with capspace I believe there is still a ceiling on the % of raise they can offer in an early extension renegotiation. Locke covered it in one of his podcasts. He made it seem like Lauri likely needed to play out his contract because the salary on his current deal was too far below market value.
 
HeatCheck said:
Even with capspace I believe there is still a ceiling on the % of raise they can offer in an early extension renegotiation. Locke covered it in one of his podcasts. He made it seem like Lauri likely needed to play out his contract because the salary on his current deal was too far below market value.
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Locke knows a lot but he really doesn’t know the CBA. He should be embarrassed, honestly.
 
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HeatCheck said:
Even with capspace I believe there is still a ceiling on the % of raise they can offer in an early extension renegotiation. Locke covered it in one of his podcasts. He made it seem like Lauri likely needed to play out his contract because the salary on his current deal was too far below market value.
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That only applies to normal extensions where you under the new CBA can increase the salary by 40%. With an R&E you can go up to the player's maximum if you have the cap space for it.
 
HeatCheck said:
Even with capspace I believe there is still a ceiling on the % of raise they can offer in an early extension renegotiation. Locke covered it in one of his podcasts. He made it seem like Lauri likely needed to play out his contract because the salary on his current deal was too far below market value.
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I could explain this to Locke with pictures and he would still have a hard time understanding. Trust me... this is an option with our cap space next year.
 
Hedda Gambler said:
I`ve been thinking about this for a few days and tried crunching some numbers. Next season`s salary cap is projected to be $134 million. Projections for future years vary wildly, but with the new cap smoothing regulations in the CBA, I use fixed 10% raises for these calculations.

If Lauri plays out his current contract and signs a new 4 year max deal with max raises with us, his total salary for the five seasons after the next will be $237 million (Option A below). If we renogotiate and extend by giving him the full max in 2024-2025 (Option B) we can match this total salary while still going a lot lower in the following years.

A: 18,05 - 48,6 - 52,5 - 56,7 - 61,3
B: 44,22 - 47,8 - 51,6 - 47,8 - 46

With option A, Lauri will take up 28,9% of the salary cap in 2027-2028. With option B, he will take up 24,3%. In 2028-2029, the percentages are 28,4 and 21,3.

These differences are huge and may be the difference between us avoiding the 2nd apron or not if - or when - we get our next very good team. With the descending salary he should also be a very nice trade piece if he have to pivot again, as long as he plays well and avoids injuries. He also very well might take a bit less as we help him earn more money earlier. a 5/$200 renegotiation and extension would be a fantastic deal for the Jazz.
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If this is accurate it would be amazing. Keeping Lauri on this type of deal would be a real advantage from a cap perspective.
 
checkbookdoc said:
If this is accurate it would be amazing. Keeping Lauri on this type of deal would be a real advantage from a cap perspective.
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It's why I'm fairly keen on taking on bad expiring salary, and maybe a ton of it depending on what the overall market looks like; get something for cap-space this year but cap-space for the renegotiate and extend. Could put the Jazz in special position to contend if they keep making good progress by having a pristine cap sheet and the ability to continuously add talent by extension (rather than be forced to offload talent in the face of the new rules, conversely).
 
NUMBERICA said:
It's why I'm fairly keen on taking on bad expiring salary, and maybe a ton of it depending on what the overall market looks like; get something for cap-space this year but cap-space for the renegotiate and extend. Could put the Jazz in special position to contend if they keep making good progress by having a pristine cap sheet and the ability to continuously add talent by extension (rather than be forced to offload talent in the face of the new rules, conversely).
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We have so much cap space for 2024/25 that we could easily fit in another max if we wanted. I could actually see us giving Clarkson a huge short term contract just to have him as matching salary. 2/$50 with only the first year being fully guaranteed and maybe $5 million guaranteed for the second year would give him a very nice pay day and give us matching salary that isn`t toxic. We never know which next very good player becomes digruntled and wants to leave his current team. We have all the picks required to give in a trade, but would need matching salary if we don`t have the cap space for a max slot outright.
 
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