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Al-O-Meter said:
would hope not. A few hundred people including a guy with a buffalo headdress delayed the EC vote recognition ceremony by 4 hours and were all arrested. Hang whatever scary terms on it you like but that is all it was and it has been handled. At this point the "investigation" that includes performances by the cast of Hamilton is nothing but an attempt to distract from a slew of real issues like:
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I certainly cannot agree with this. Trump, and elected officials that supported his Big Lie of a stolen election apparently plotted to steal the election. I’m not aware of that having happened before, in my lifetime, which goes back to Truman’s administration. That’s a very big deal to me. Correct me if I’m wrong, but attempting to reverse the outcome by the means schemed by Trump and his supporters is actually not the way things are supposed to go down. And guess what? I take it personally. As anyone who voted for Biden is likewise entitled to do, should they so choose. The purpose of the Jan. 6 committee is to shed light on exactly what went down, certainly not simply with the insurrectionists alone, but the Republican Party officials who were supporting Trump’s efforts and offering suggestions that would help him stay in power.

Like MTG saying she and others thought martial law might be required, to quote her words: “save the republic”. “Excuse me, Marjorie, but who the eff do you think you are? “Save the Republic”, Marj? Sorry, but me and many like me are also Americans. The election was held, and Biden won. It is not your place to decide the republic is in danger unless you ignore the will of the people and refuse to accept the results. The accepted response is to experience disappointment that your guy lost, suck it up, and continue working as the ‘loyal opposition’.”

The Jan. 6th committee is going to shed light on this effort, and other efforts, to subvert our election, as it should. They did not succeed, but not for lack of some degree of actually trying. Since overturning the results of a fair election, well run by all accounts at the time, is a huge no-no, I do believe we owe it to the historical record alone to spell out what happened. It’s not my fault that these shenanigans was the work of MAGA Republicans. The events before, the day of, and in the aftermath of Jan. 6th involved MAGA Republicans attempting to subvert a fairly run election. It was not about Democrats trying to overturn a Trump win.

What they did was beyond the pale. I cannot yet say how history will portray these times and events. But we can gather the evidence that will illuminate the narrative, and bequeath at least that much to future historians.
 
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fishonjazz said:
Ya it was all just a simple delay. Oh and people literally died. And were persuaded by the sitting president to stop the Electoral process so that he coukd retain power. No one had a noose and was chanting about hanging mike pence. No cops were injured or anything. No protesters were shot. No biggie.

Delaying a ceremony is a pretty stupid way to phrase what happened.


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Why was a “delay” even necessary?

Donald’s own AG said that there wasn’t significant voter fraud. His cybersecurity chief called it the “cleanest election in recent history.” Donald’s personal lawyer lost something like 60 cases between November and January trying to press the case for voter fraud.

The tell is in the Eastman memos.

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They wanted to disrupt this process so the states could decide. The calculus was that there were more red controlled states than blue so Trump would win re-election despite being defeated by the popular vote and electoral college.

This is why the 2022 midterms are so important. If you vote to make Congress Republican, you’re essentially voting for Trump in 2024, and Republican for the foreseeable future. If in power of congress, Republicans will make sure their guy wins the white house in 2024 no matter what the actual election results are.

If Trump in power in 2025, just imagine what Putin will do around the world. Imagine the grift they Trump family would engage in. Imagine the attacks on minorities and immigrants. Or the horrific trade wars. Or the attacks on democracy. How would you ever dislodge Republicans from power? They’re an authoritarian movement. Yikes
 
Red said:
That’s a very big deal to me. Correct me if I’m wrong, but attempting to reverse the outcome by the means schemed by Trump and his supporters is actually not the way things are supposed to go down.
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You're correct. It is not the way things are supposed to go down. It is also not the way it could possibly go down. Nothing could have been done on January 6th to make Trump the one to take the oath of office on January 20th. Even if Mike Pence had announced the election null and void before announcing Donald Trump as the winner, it still would have been Joe Biden taking the oath of office on January 20th. January 6th is a ceremony only. The next President is the one elected by the electoral college, not the one announced by the vice president. Those votes were cast back in December and everyone already knew every one of them. In the worst case scenario, the Supreme Court would have become involved and spent 5 minutes reading the constitution before announcing the winner of the electoral college vote as the next president.

Yes America has a lot of derpy people and some of them thought they could have done something to get Trump reappointed. Other equally derpy people believed our democracy was in danger because Trump almost got reappointed president. The media has happily churned out content to harvest clicks because the eyes of derpy people count as monetizable traffic. I don't have a problem with people looking into the events and I don't even fault the Democrats for generating as much publicity as possible in hopes it will help their odds in the next election but I'm not about to give those events more weight than Putin possibly starting a nuclear war. Every single item on my bullet-point list has killed more people and has a more immediate impact on you, me, and everyone else than the January 6th ceremony being delayed by 4 hours before Joe Biden was announced as the winner of the election exactly as he was supposed to have been.

America does have some derpy people but the public opinion polling tells me they aren't in the majority, and for that I am thankful.
 
The Thriller said:
If you vote to make Congress Republican, you’re essentially voting for Trump in 2024
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Right, because that is how it works. And fascism is when amusement parks don't get tax breaks. And republics are a kind of democracy rather than a distinct governmental structure which may or may not incorporate features from other types of government. And inflation will end in March 2022 because people will stop buying milk. Got it.

America does have some derpy people but the public opinion polling tells me they aren't in the majority, and for that I am thankful.
 
Red said:
I certainly cannot agree with this. Trump, and elected officials that supported his Big Lie of a stolen election apparently plotted to steal the election. I’m not aware of that having happened before, in my lifetime, which goes back to Truman’s administration. That’s a very big deal to me. Correct me if I’m wrong, but attempting to reverse the outcome by the means schemed by Trump and his supporters is actually not the way things are supposed to go down. And guess what? I take it personally. As anyone who voted for Biden is likewise entitled to do, should they so choose. The purpose of the Jan. 6 committee is to shed light on exactly what went down, certainly not simply with the insurrectionists alone, but the Republican Party officials who were supporting Trump’s efforts and offering suggestions that would help him stay in power.

Like MTG saying she and others thought martial law might be required, to quote her words: “save the republic”. “Excuse me, Marjorie, but who the eff do you think you are? “Save the Republic”, Marj? Sorry, but me and many like me are also Americans. The election was held, and Biden won. It is not your place to decide the republic is in danger unless you ignore the will of the people and refuse to accept the results. The accepted response is to experience disappointment that your guy lost, suck it up, and continue working as the ‘loyal opposition’.”

The Jan. 6th committee is going to shed light on this effort, and other efforts, to subvert our election, as it should. They did not succeed, but not for lack of some degree of actually trying. Since overturning the results of a fair election, well run by all accounts at the time, is a huge no-no, I do believe we owe it to the historical record alone to spell out what happened. It’s not my fault that these shenanigans was the work of MAGA Republicans. The events before, the day of, and in the aftermath of Jan. 6th involved MAGA Republicans attempting to subvert a fairly run election. It was not about Democrats trying to overturn a Trump win.

What they did was beyond the pale. I cannot yet say how history will portray these times and events. But we can gather the evidence that will illuminate the narrative, and bequeath at least that much to future historians.
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Fantastic Post! Perfection really.
 
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Al-O-Meter said:
You're correct. It is not the way things are supposed to go down. It is also not the way it could possibly go down. Nothing could have been done on January 6th to make Trump the one to take the oath of office on January 20th. Even if Mike Pence had announced the election null and void before announcing Donald Trump as the winner, it still would have been Joe Biden taking the oath of office on January 20th. January 6th is a ceremony only. The next President is the one elected by the electoral college, not the one announced by the vice president. Those votes were cast back in December and everyone already knew every one of them. In the worst case scenario, the Supreme Court would have become involved and spent 5 minutes reading the constitution before announcing the winner of the electoral college vote as the next president.

Yes America has a lot of derpy people and some of them thought they could have done something to get Trump reappointed. Other equally derpy people believed our democracy was in danger because Trump almost got reappointed president. The media has happily churned out content to harvest clicks because the eyes of derpy people count as monetizable traffic. I don't have a problem with people looking into the events and I don't even fault the Democrats for generating as much publicity as possible in hopes it will help their odds in the next election but I'm not about to give those events more weight than Putin possibly starting a nuclear war. Every single item on my bullet-point list has killed more people and has a more immediate impact on you, me, and everyone else than the January 6th ceremony being delayed by 4 hours before Joe Biden was announced as the winner of the election exactly as he was supposed to have been.

America does have some derpy people but the public opinion polling tells me they aren't in the majority, and for that I am thankful.
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Ya i mean who cares right? If someone would have bombed the whitehouse and killed every person inside then who cares right? Trump still wouldn't have been the one to take the oath of office on january 20th so who cares?
 
The Thriller said:
Is this cancel culture? Or is shooting protestors an act of free speech?

View: https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1521131433271648256?s=21&t=Gr70byoBTcyQEkNV87WAKw
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**** Trumps such an amateur! Shooting protesters? Who is he? Tsar Nicholas II, shooting is so passé, run them over with tanks and stuff like they do in China. Actually its a bit disturbing that American coppers are so bad at breaking up protests and beating up protesters, did they learn nothing from Chicago and Mayor Daley? Here police use to use a strategy of infiltrators and police lines, at a co-ordinated time the police line would charge and the infiltrators would start clubbing protestors within the crowd, it would spread chaos like a ****ing wildfire.

Better times... Ah the police violated my rights,!!!!! No **** that's what they do.
 
The Thriller said:
Protests aren’t synonymous with violence.

Violence (if ever) is rarely justified.

Protests against injustice and police brutality are justified while Protests to overthrow democracy by throwing out millions of votes (primarily from black voters) aren’t.
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Thriller saying violence is ok when it suits his alt-left agenda.
The Thriller said:
It’s important to recognize that the BLM protests over the summer were completely justified.
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Handlogten's Heros said:
The optimist in me says this is where the Trump supporters realize how ****ing stupid they are being to still be on his side. The optimist says those in government that publicly oppose the election results and stand with Trumps obvious BS will be woke the **** up and realize the real harm they are doing in brainwashing people that believe their lies.

The rest of me can't wait to hear how the Trumpers support this ****** behavior after saying "this aint a coup... he's just being Trumpy... lols".
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Welp...

Here we are.
 

‘It’s Appalling’: QAnon Shaman’s Lawyer Says DOJ Lied, Withheld Videos Aired By Carlson​


An attorney for the so-called “QAnon Shaman” Jacob Chansley asked federal prosecutors repeatedly for all videos showing his client inside the Capitol on Jan. 6, yet told The Daily Wire he never received the bombshell – and potentially exculpatory – footage aired Monday night by Tucker Carlson.

Albert Watkins, whose client Jacob Chansley pleaded guilty to felony charges in connection with the Capitol riot and was sentenced to 41 months in prison, said Department of Justice prosecutors were legally bound to turn over the footage. Clips shown on Carlson’s Fox News Channel program show Chansley walking freely and peaceably through the building, often accompanied by multiple police officers.

“We did not receive that video footage,” Watkins said. “We asked for it, and not just once or twice. Whether we asked for it or not is irrelevant because the government had an absolute, non-compromisible duty to disclose that video and they did not do so.”

“And all the while, they were actively representing to the court and the American people that Jake was a leader, leading the charge into the Capitol,” he said. “They did not disclose that footage because it ran contrary to their rote narrative.”

Watkins, an attorney for nearly 40 years, told The Daily Wire he was stunned to see the footage, which he could have used to defend Chansley.

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‘It’s Appalling’: QAnon Shaman’s Lawyer Says DOJ Lied, Withheld Videos Aired By Carlson | The Daily Wire

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Lol I have to explain to PL why the DoJ withholding damning evidence that his client was extorted is important. At this point it's not even worth the effort seeing how common sense doesn't exist here.
 
SteakNEggs said:
Lol I have to explain to PL why the DoJ withholding damning evidence that his client was extorted is important. At this point it's not even worth the effort seeing how common sense doesn't exist here.
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Did you mean "escorted"? Angeli chose to go into the Capitol to delay the election. That's obstruction. No one held a gun to his head.
 
I don’t know what else needs to happen for people to actually consider that the government is lying to them about everything. Good god people need to wake the **** up.
I wouldn’t expect republican politicians to come to the aid of any of these folks either though. They are just as much a part of the sham government uniparty.
 
mongoose01 said:
I don’t know what else needs to happen for people to actually consider that the government is lying to them about everything. Good god people need to wake the **** up.
I wouldn’t expect republican politicians to come to the aid of any of these folks either though. They are just as much a part of the sham government uniparty.
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The "government" ranges from small town councils, to state legislatures, to hundreds upon hundreds of federal agencies, our supreme court, both houses of congress and the executive branch, military branches, agencies within those branches, the IRS, FDA, BLM, EPA, CIA, FBI, secret service, etc..

The government is lying to us about "everything" you say? Huh, if that were true it would be an amazingly astonishing accomplishment.

Speaking in such absolutes is not beneficial to your credibility, as it were.
 
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