The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread

SteakNEggs said:

Lol yet @sirkickyass is saying Russia could take the enitre area lol.

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Ukraine had over 40M people before the war. By contrast, Moldova has under 2.5M, Estonia under 1.5M, and Georgia under 11M. Russia could absolutely roll over them more easily than Ukraine.

One Brow said:

Ukraine had over 40M people before the war. By contrast, Moldova has under 2.5M, Estonia under 1.5M, and Georgia under 11M. Russia could absolutely roll over them more easily than Ukraine.

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It's also just an apples/oranges comparison.

Ukraine is successfully defending with allied support from NATO in terms of material and training.

In the absence of allied support, if support was withdrawn suddenly by the US for example, Russia's ability to bully and dominate its neighbors is obviously greater than in the status quo.

gandalfe said:

I kind of wonder if Russia even actually has nukes any more, or if they all got stolen and sold by the generals.

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The rare instance in which I'm HOPING Russia has all the nukes.

sirkickyass said:

It's also just an apples/oranges comparison.

Ukraine is successfully defending with allied support from NATO in terms of material and training.

In the absence of allied support, if support was withdrawn suddenly by the US for example, Russia's ability to bully and dominate its neighbors is obviously greater than in the status quo.

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So dunning kruger your boy racist Gameface please. Let's not act all high an mighty then add nothing like you did with me. That's called hypocrisy.

One second Russia is a world power the next they are getting destroyed. The pro-wars need to make up their mind.

Gameface said:

There is one reason and one reason only that Russia poses any kind of threat to the U.S. and NATO. Nukes.

That's it.

There will never be a conventional ground war between the U.S. and Russia because the U.S. doesn't want one and Russia knows it couldn't even compete in one.

Russia tried picking on their little brother and is losing because the U.S. gave Ukraine HIMARS and Javelin Missiles. That along with the bravery and dedication of massively outnumbers Ukrainian soldiers is all it took to stop big bad Russia.

Russia is playing the **** Around And Find Out game, and they're finding out.

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Well there's one other factor that I think it s little bit underrated. There's a significant advantage to valuing the lives of your own people at essentially zero.

A place like Poland or Germany couldn't lose 100,000 people in a war and have it be politically irrelevant. There would be significant pressure to make significant gains proving the war could end soon or to simply end the war entirely.

Russia has a multi-century history of treating troops as totally expendable, and you're seeing that play out again here. There is simply no comparable cost to Putin to sacrificing a quarter million young people, and that means there's a social tolerance for the pain of war that can be leveraged to Russian advantage.

LOL wut?

Stop supporting Ukraine. Fight Mexico instead!

View: https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1636381977862639619?s=46&t=QT7YFlZ_IlHq81PpZAhKgw

sirkickyass said:

Well there's one other factor that I think it s little bit underrated. There's a significant advantage to valuing the lives of your own people at essentially zero.

A place like Poland or Germany couldn't lose 100,000 people in a war and have it be politically irrelevant. There would be significant pressure to make significant gains proving the war could end soon or to simply end the war entirely.

Russia has a multi-century history of treating troops as totally expendable, and you're seeing that play out again here. There is simply no comparable cost to Putin to sacrificing a quarter million young people, and that means there's a social tolerance for the pain of war that can be leveraged to Russian advantage.

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Do you think that doing this generation after generation is one of the reasons that Russia is so ****ed up? Sending young healthy men to die in such large numbers has to have repercussions after a few hundred years I'd think.

I’m sure many war pigs here will be upset to know that China is trying to broker peace and even suggests that Russia and the US avoid escalation and the use of nuclear weapons.


China is the voice of reason in the world now? They already have negotiated a cease fire between Iran and Saudi Arabia.


It’s difficult for a country like the USA to be diplomatic and to be a voice of reason when they are acting like the world police and sending billions in aid effectively choosing sides in conflicts (we don’t do policing well even at home). Murdering generals with drone strikes in the case of Iran. I think we might be witnessing the end of the petrodollar which could really devastate the US economy.

mongoose01 said:

I’m sure many war pigs here will be upset to know that China is trying to broker peace and even suggests that Russia and the US avoid escalation and the use of nuclear weapons.

Western leaders give cool response to China’s plan for Ukraine peace talks

Nato secretary general says Beijing ‘does not have much credibility’ because of failure to condemn Russia’s invasion

www.theguardian.com

China is the voice of reason in the world now? They already have negotiated a cease fire between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Iran and Saudi Arabia agree to restore ties after China-brokered talks

Embassies to reopen in move that could have wide implications for Iran nuclear deal and Yemen war

www.theguardian.com

It’s difficult for a country like the USA to be diplomatic and to be a voice of reason when they are acting like the world police and sending billions in aid effectively choosing sides in conflicts (we don’t do policing well even at home). Murdering generals with drone strikes in the case of Iran. I think we might be witnessing the end of the petrodollar which could really devastate the US economy.

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Peace is easy. Russia leaves Ukraine. Done!

There is no option where Russia gets to invade Ukraine unprovoked and completely unjustified and then walks away with Ukrainian territory as part of a "peace" deal.

Russia has failed, their invasion is a national embarrassment that has moved them from the perceived status as the second most powerful nation in the world to soundly out of the top 5.

The solution is for Russia to leave Ukraine.

mongoose01 said:

I’m sure many war pigs here will be upset to know that China is trying to broker peace and even suggests that Russia and the US avoid escalation and the use of nuclear weapons.

Western leaders give cool response to China’s plan for Ukraine peace talks

Nato secretary general says Beijing ‘does not have much credibility’ because of failure to condemn Russia’s invasion

www.theguardian.com

China is the voice of reason in the world now? They already have negotiated a cease fire between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Iran and Saudi Arabia agree to restore ties after China-brokered talks

Embassies to reopen in move that could have wide implications for Iran nuclear deal and Yemen war

www.theguardian.com

It’s difficult for a country like the USA to be diplomatic and to be a voice of reason when they are acting like the world police and sending billions in aid effectively choosing sides in conflicts (we don’t do policing well even at home). Murdering generals with drone strikes in the case of Iran. I think we might be witnessing the end of the petrodollar which could really devastate the US economy.

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Huh? That Iranian general had worked to kill countless Americans and Israelis. He was a bad dude. Trump probably did the right thing in the order to take him out when he did. I’m not sure how successful our foreign policy has been towards Iran after the nuclear agreement was shredded…. There’s a lot to consider here. It seems like nihilism replaces knowledge for you.

I wonder why China would be eager for the west to leave Ukraine high and dry while Russia illegally occupies 1/3rd of the country it just invaded? I’m sure China wouldn’t want this type of “peace” deal to become the new template for places like… oh I don’t know… Taiwan? And why would Ukraine accept such a plan? Why should they give up their land and cities? What kind of message does that send to authoritarians around the world? Why would Ukraine accept a plan that allows Russia to lick its wounds and invade again in the next few years? Maybe this time under a more cooperative administration, such as a Republican like Trump or DeSantis?

It’s just weird how the dumbass trolls on here are blame the west for the aggression of belligerents like Russia and China. America didn’t cause Russia to invade Ukraine. Taiwan isn’t threatening Chinese sovereignty. Do you guys understand… anything about current events? No? What about history? Since the close of the Cold War the world has been kept in check by agreements made by major world powers. You cannot just take people and land through invasion. Russia has repeatedly violated this. They ****ed around and let’s let them find out what happens. Let Russia serve as a lesson to China and other belligerent countries that are looking to build empires through bloodshed. Let’s not return to a pre-WWII diplomacy.

Have concerns over escalation? I get that. Worried about the humanitarian disaster unfolding in Ukraine? Me too. But some of these fundamental issues, we should all be in agreement. China isn’t a good faith actor here and Ukraine giving up land and people for a temporary peace only benefits Russia. Cmon, learn about this topic.

I don’t know if it’s the attention some of you seek or if it’s just laziness to learn and understand anything about geopolitical politics, or if it’s some of the social media influences you take it, but the takes from some of you are just embarrassing. At least take 5 mins to learn something about the topic you’re commenting on.

sirkickyass said:

Well there's one other factor that I think it s little bit underrated. There's a significant advantage to valuing the lives of your own people at essentially zero.

A place like Poland or Germany couldn't lose 100,000 people in a war and have it be politically irrelevant. There would be significant pressure to make significant gains proving the war could end soon or to simply end the war entirely.

Russia has a multi-century history of treating troops as totally expendable, and you're seeing that play out again here. There is simply no comparable cost to Putin to sacrificing a quarter million young people, and that means there's a social tolerance for the pain of war that can be leveraged to Russian advantage.

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It’ll be interesting to see what kind of war effort Russia can put forward this year. From what I’ve read they don’t lack men to throw into the meat grinder. They’ve been attempting a spring offensive for weeks, losing thousands of men, with only marginal gains to show for it. they may be running short on missiles, tanks, and material to wage war. That’s why they’re turning to Iran, N Korea, and China for help.

Of course, I’ve also read that the west is struggling to keep Ukraine supplied. And with Trump and DeSantis threatening to pull the plug on our support if elected, I think it makes it all the more important that the Biden admin provide Ukraine with the material it needs to end this asap. Hopefully, we didn’t miss this opportunity already. I understand the reluctance to provide aid like ATACMS. But the longer this goes the worse it gets from both a humanitarian and political standpoint. No doubt in my mind what Trump and his cult following will do if they’re in power come Jan 2025 and this war is still going on.

I’m so glad and relieved that thriller the dumb **** who thought Jimmer was the second coming thinks I’m a dumbass. He’s gotta educate me on the history of the world according to Rachel Maddow. **** off with your name calling you moron.

mongoose01 said:

I’m so glad and relieved that thriller the dumb **** who thought Jimmer was the second coming thinks I’m a dumbass. He’s gotta educate me on the history of the world according to Rachel Maddow. **** off with your name calling you moron.

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I have no idea what Rachel Maddow thinks. I don’t watch her show. Nor was I a fan of Jimmer in the nba. He was an exciting college player though. How long have you been holding onto that for? Like 13 years? You couldn’t find something more relevant? You’re using references from before I had even graduated with a Bachelor’s. Pretty sad. I’m now well into my career and approaching middle age.

I know about geopolitics because 1) it’s part of my career to know so and 2) I read what other experts (usually conservative) have to say. It’s weird how no-nothings like you assume that liberals are somehow the party of war hawks and strong foreign policy against Russia. It just goes to show how little history you know. You unfortunately don’t seem to know anything about this topic of Eastern Europe and Russia. Your inability to refute any of the pts brought up in the previous post or express anything insightful, just shows how bare your understanding of geopolitics is. I think you’re about done here. Let the adults discuss this topic without your trolling

The Thriller said:

I have no idea what Rachel Maddow thinks. I don’t watch her show. Nor was I a fan of Jimmer in the nba. He was an exciting college player though. How long have you been holding onto that for? Like 13 years? You couldn’t find something more relevant? You’re using references from before I had even graduated with a Bachelor’s. Pretty sad. I’m now well into my career and approaching middle age.

I know about geopolitics because 1) it’s part of my career to know so and 2) I read what other experts (usually conservative) have to say. It’s weird how no-nothings like you assume that liberals are somehow the party of war hawks and strong foreign policy. It just goes to show how little history you know. You unfortunately don’t seem to know anything about this topic of Eastern Europe and Russia. Your inability to refute any of the pts brought up in the previous post or express anything insightful, just shows how bare your understanding of geopolitics is. I think you’re about done here. Let the adults discuss this topic without your trolling

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It was an all time bad take on Jimmer so it stuck out to me for this long. You should own it especially if you are so much older and wiser instead of just lying about it, but I don’t suspect you are any good at self reflection and honesty.
Your takes on politics are similarly terrible so I’m not surprised. I’ll leave so you can obsess about trump.

Mongoose said:

It was an all time bad take on Jimmer so it stuck out to me for this long. You should own it especially if you are so much older and wiser instead of just lying about it, but I don’t suspect you are any good at self reflection and honesty.
Your takes on politics are similarly terrible so I’m not surprised. I’ll leave so you can obsess about trump.

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Okay

This is yet another reason why Russia needs to be defeated now, before the costs increase even more. “Peace” by granting them pieces of Ukraine only gives this aggressive authoritarian reprieve to harm other countries later. Perhaps a NATO country later? The line must be drawn here. Russia must pay a steep price to deter them from this type of foreign policy.


What do you think this does for enemies of the USA? Putin knows that he just needs to hold on for two more years. If he can do that, then his useful idiots here will do his work for him.

View: https://twitter.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1636446515471196167?s=46&t=QT7YFlZ_IlHq81PpZAhKgw

mongoose01 said:

I think we might be witnessing the end of the petrodollar which could really devastate the US economy.

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You know, not long before we invaded Iraq, they announced they were going to start pricing their oil in Euros.

Here's a contemporaneous article. There are many others.

The Thriller said:

It’ll be interesting to see what kind of war effort Russia can put forward this year. From what I’ve read they don’t lack men to throw into the meat grinder. They’ve been attempting a spring offensive for weeks, losing thousands of men, with only marginal gains to show for it. they may be running short on missiles, tanks, and material to wage war. That’s why they’re turning to Iran, N Korea, and China for help.

Of course, I’ve also read that the west is struggling to keep Ukraine supplied. And with Trump and DeSantis threatening to pull the plug on our support if elected, I think it makes it all the more important that the Biden admin provide Ukraine with the material it needs to end this asap. Hopefully, we didn’t miss this opportunity already. I understand the reluctance to provide aid like ATACMS. But the longer this goes the worse it gets from both a humanitarian and political standpoint. No doubt in my mind what Trump and his cult following will do if they’re in power come Jan 2025 and this war is still going on.

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Russia is giving their troops about the same amount of training a new employee at McDonalds gets. So, sure, they can send bodies, but not useful ones - and barely ones with bullets, either.

mongoose01 said:

I’m so glad and relieved that thriller the dumb **** who thought Jimmer was the second coming thinks I’m a dumbass. He’s gotta educate me on the history of the world according to Rachel Maddow. **** off with your name calling you moron.

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Some of us think education is a good thing. Weird, I know.

SteakNEggs said:

Bloodshed!!!!! So close to the war you all crave.

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