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Game Thread Mar 20, 2023 07:00PM MT: Jazz vs. Kings

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah anything is possible.

Gobert is an all time offensive player though. I don't think WK can baby hook his way to being a better offensive player than Gobert. Plus there's the issue that WK probably won't ever develop the ability to get to the ft line that Gobert did. So in my estimation for WK to be a better offensive player than Gobert he will need to be a 75%+ ft shooter and be 60% plus from the floor with a shot diet that exist outside of 5 feet.

The best thing you can say about WK over Gobert offensively is that he is more trustworthy with the ball in tight spaces.
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That last part seems to matter a lot in the playoffs. We can also compare their rookie years and it's not really a discussion between the two. But who knows how Kessler develops. Gobert made huge jumps his first 3/4 years, if Kessler can do 1/4 of that he'll turn out better. But I also think we've seen most of what Kessler will be when he's played at his peak this year, but I hope I'm wrong.
 
Ron Mexico said:
That last part seems to matter a lot in the playoffs. We can also compare their rookie years and it's not really a discussion between the two. But who knows how Kessler develops. Gobert made huge jumps his first 3/4 years, if Kessler can do 1/4 of that he'll turn out better. But I also think we've seen most of what Kessler will be when he's played at his peak this year, but I hope I'm wrong.
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Like I said, anything is possible.

And yes, there is some intrinsic value in having a bit of a more steady hand. It's hard to measure or say how much. I also think our current coaching is putting a lot less pressure in WK than Gobert had in his prime. He isn't the fulcrum point of an entire offense.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
A correct one. Definitely not a skillfull offensive player, but an efficient scoring machine nonetheless
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I have never associated Gobert with "All time offensive player" or "Efficient Scoring Machine" He was efficient no doubt. But scoring machine?

I assume you're talking about screen assists, the gravity he created, the fact that we had awesome offensive stats when he was one the floor, etc. All valid points. But I think there is some nuance between the team success we had with him, and naming Rudy Gobert as some offensive savant.
 
It might be in the team's best interest that WK doesn't quite reach Gobert's level as a player tbh
 
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fishonjazz said:
If giving conleys minutes to tht and beasleys to ochai and vandos to kessler is the best way to get wins then why wasn't that happening all along? Or are you saying that they weren't trying to get wins?
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Probably a mixture of a perceived small gap in talent and the fact that veterans just get more run in the NBA in general. My guess is that THT, Kessler, and Agbaji will be in the NBA in the next 5-10 years, barring significant injuries.

Now compare it to say the Process 76ers. A team that started such NBA talent like James Anderson, Hollis Thompson and Henry Sims. All guys who were ****ing starters on that team and couldn't last in the NBA a year or two after they left the 76ers and their horror show. Now that's tanking.
 
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Bawse Dawg said:
I also don't consider Clint Capela an all time offensive player. And see some similarities between lots of players on that list, none of which are "That dude was/is a bucket."
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Gobert is an all time offensive player. Just because it's not beautiful artful buckets doesn't change the facts that he's an all time efficient finisher
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I just find the "I like Kessler more than Gobert because a bunch of people who didn't know jackshit about basketball hated on Gobert and I'm insecure about my basketball team" lame AF.
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I see why you are confused. I didn't say that. I said that one of the things I like about kessler is that I dont have argue with fans about him. I didn't say its the reason I like kessler more than rudy.
 
SoUjazzfan said:
I really think the whole covid deal cast a negative shadow (though undeserved, it was happening anyway) over Gobert
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Agreed. That is one of the times i remember the media being critical of him. Another was when he cried about something? (I dont follow sports media very much so those are the only two that popped into my head)
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I like Gobert more because he's one of the best players in franchise history and one of the best defensive players of all time.
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Ya that is one of the reasons Gobert is one of my favorites of all time and one of only 4 players whose jersey I have purchased.
 
fishonjazz said:
Agreed. That is one of the times i remember the media being critical of him. Another was when he cried about something? (I dont follow sports media very much so those are the only two that popped into my head)
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He cried about not making the all star game in a post practice interview with the local media. Draymond Green then commented and made fun of him for it and that made it into the national news.

Gobert is and never was in with the "cool kids" and being a goofy foreign player, playing in Utah of all places, certainly didn't help him win any popularity contests with the national media. But local media who interviewed him, love Gobert, they appreciate his honesty and candidness (too much sometimes) and the time he gives them.

Gobert's just a different kinda dude, I mean he likes nature, has his own bee hive to make honey, really into anime and what may turn most people off he's into crystals and that type of thing. So IMO he's just not relatable to his fellow NBA players is all, which makes him less likeable BUT I don't think players dislike or hate him.
 
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