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How Much $$$ Should Jazz Throw at Austin Reaves?

Saint Cy of JFC said:
Final Big Board. Probably wont have the energy to update it even though I probably already want to.

Tier I
1. Evan Mobley
2. Cade Cunningham
Tier II
3. Jalen Green
Tier III
4. Jalen Suggs
5. Franz Wagner
6. Moses Moody
7. Josh Giddey
Tier IV
8. Scottie Barnes
9. Alperen Sengun
10. Jalen Johnson
11. James Bouknight
12. Jonathan Kuminga
Tier V
13. Josh Christopher
14. Jared Butler
15. Shariffe Cooper
16. Chris Duarte
17. Davion Mitchell
18. Trey Murphy
19. Corey Kispert
20. Joe Wieskamp
21.Usman Garuba
Tier VI
22. Isaiah Jackson
23. Kai Jones
24. Jaden Springer
25. Jason Preston
26. Aaron Henry
27. Cameron Thomas
28. Ziaire Williams
29, Kai Jones
Tier VII
30.. Quentin Grimes
31. Miles McBride
32. Neemias Queta
33. JT Thor
34. Isaiah Todd
35. Bone Hyland
36. Austin Reaves
37. Tre Mann
38. Ayo Donsuma
39. Isaiah Livers
40. Joel Ayayi
Tier VIII
41. JRE
42. DJ Carton
43. Herb Jones
44. Vrenz Bleinbergh
45. Kessler Edwards
46. Josh Primo
47. Greg Brown
Tier IX
48. Sam Hauser
49. Rokus Jokubaitas
50. Justin Champaigne
51. Aamir SImms
52. AJ Lawson
53. EJ Onu
54. BJ Boston
55. Jericho Sims
56. DJ Stewart
57. Matthew Hurt
58. Anthony Tarke
59. Santi Aldini
60. Daishin Nix
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To toot my own horn. (ignore the bad stuff tho)
 
homeytennis said:
The Jazz are going to throw a boatload of money at an undrafted smallish player who appears to have the same potential as Justin James? OK then.
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We need a guy capable of running the team. Whether that means a real PG or a combo guard who can do it... I don't really care.

Reaves is just one more irrationally confident score-first type in the vein of Clarkson, Sexton, THT and Dunn.
 
If we want him there is a really good shot we could steal him away from the Lakers. Any team wanting to sign him away from them has to have enough cap space to take on his cap hit which is the total amount given divided by the amount of years.

The first two years have to be 11.4M and 11.9M but after that it can go to as high as 36.8M for the third year and 38.5M for the fourth year.
 
Elizah Huge said:
If we want him there is a really good shot we could steal him away from the Lakers. Any team wanting to sign him away from them has to have enough cap space to take on his cap hit which is the total amount given divided by the amount of years.

The first two years have to be 11.4M and 11.9M but after that it can go to as high as 36.8M for the third year and 38.5M for the fourth year.
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Sounds pretty insane. Probably too much risk. While I like Reaves that's a huge cost even with rising cap
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Sounds pretty insane. Probably too much risk. While I like Reaves that's a huge cost even with rising cap
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I don’t really know how high I’d be willing to go in the 3rd and 4th year of the deal.

11.4
11.9
27.7
29

Would you do this? It ends up being 4/80M.
 
Elizah Huge said:
If we want him there is a really good shot we could steal him away from the Lakers. Any team wanting to sign him away from them has to have enough cap space to take on his cap hit which is the total amount given divided by the amount of years.

The first two years have to be 11.4M and 11.9M but after that it can go to as high as 36.8M for the third year and 38.5M for the fourth year.
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That's the incumbent team's scale. Ours would be $24.5 million per year flat on a max Early Bird offer. If the Lakers matched their cap hits would be ~MLE, ~MLE, ~$38 million, ~$38 million.

Maybe you're already saying that, it's not clear to me.

$24.5 million if he can weather scouting is a good deal IMO. Yes, there are contingencies, but it will be hard to improve after this offseason IMO, so they gotta take some swings. Also, for whatever it is worth, I would not make that offer if the Jazz had to pay him ~$38 million in any season.
 
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At the very least I think he appears to be worth 18-20 per (for us), which would be MLE/MLE/28/28 or something like that for LAL. They're not getting him at 13 per, I think.
 
hgb said:
At the very least I think he appears to be worth 18-20 per (for us), which would be MLE/MLE/28/28 or something like that for LAL. They're not getting him at 13 per, I think.
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If no one signs him to an offer sheet then that is what they will be paying him. That is reason enough to throw a fat offer sheet at him.
 
NUMBERICA said:
That's incumbent team's scale. Ours would be $24.5 million per year flat on a max Early Bird offer. If the Lakers matched their cap hits would be ~MLE, ~MLE, ~$38 million, ~$38 million.

Maybe you're already saying that, it's not clear to me.

$24.5 million if he can weather scouting is a good deal IMO. Yes, there are contingencies, but it will be hard to improve after this offseason IMO, so they gotta take some swings.
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Make the offer on day one and force them to match early on in the process. There’s not really any other free agents that I’m super interested in. Naz Reid, Yuta Watanabe and Troy Brown are about it. Naz might go first day, but those other two will probably take a bit of time. If the Lakers match, use the cap space to take on somebody’s bad salary and more assets for that big move to make down the road.
 
NUMBERICA said:
That's the incumbent team's scale. Ours would be $24.5 million per year flat on a max Early Bird offer. If the Lakers matched their cap hits would be ~MLE, ~MLE, ~$38 million, ~$38 million.

Maybe you're already saying that, it's not clear to me.

$24.5 million if he can weather scouting is a good deal IMO. Yes, there are contingencies, but it will be hard to improve after this offseason IMO, so they gotta take some swings. Also, for whatever it is worth, I would not make that offer if the Jazz had to pay him ~$38 million in any season.
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That is what I’m saying but you broke it down better.
 
I was thinking I could make a point about the risk of giving big money to an undrafted player, thinking about Duncan Robinson, but looking at the list in the link below there aren't a lot of horrible contracts to these guys. It's also interesting how many of the top undrafted guys got their start in Utah.

www.spotrac.com

NBA Player Earnings

Ranking the career earnings of all active NBA players.
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SoberasHotRod said:
I was thinking I could make a point about the risk of giving big money to an undrafted player, thinking about Duncan Robinson, but looking at the list in the link below there aren't a lot of horrible contracts to these guys. It's also interesting how many of the top undrafted guys got their start in Utah.

www.spotrac.com

NBA Player Earnings

Ranking the career earnings of all active NBA players.
www.spotrac.com www.spotrac.com
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Looking at that list, the Jazz should’ve had both Danuel House and Alex Caruso get their starts here as well. DL had both of them in for the annual street free agent workout back in 2017.

“This year's camp invitees include: Quincy Ford; Devondrick Walker; RJ Hunter; Aaron Harrison; Isaiah Cousins; Danuel House; Darius Morris; Jalen Jones; Alex Caruso; Alfonzo McKinnie; Marquis Teague; Isaiah Miles; Nate Sobey; Jaleel Roberts; Cleanthony Early; Jarnell Stokes; Mitchell Creek; Alec Brown; Eric Griffin; Shayne Whittington; Lamar Patterson; Damien Inglis; Michael Qualls; Tyler Hansbrough; and Elgin Cook.”
 
Also, looking at that list, it’s kind of crazy to me that Seth Curry has been on 10 different teams in his career. That was quite a bit more movement than I was expecting for him.
 
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