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Knicks vs Cavs 1st Round Series (Mitchell Getting *** Whooped by Brunson Season 2)

I watch few ITW from Minny players after the games and i really found some similarities between KAT and Don the way they analyze games and performances. On game 3 after a really bad shooting night KAT came and say , yeah we miss some shoot it's happen, just shoot better next time..... at the same game, Mike came and say we have a really poor shoot selection tonight, didn't give the ball to the open guy.... same game, 2 differents points of view. I watch the game and Mike was 100% right.
I really love ANT. This guy is smart and hard worker. After game 4 where he was great, he say in an ITW. We win because NAW and Mike make very important shoot in OT where i **** up 3 possessions ( 2 miss one TO)., i have to be better... this guy is accountable and realistic on what he does.

Something i never found with Rudy and Don. Could be EGO? or maybe simply they are not able to make some good analysis of the game. Coach should help Don for that. I watch Cavs game 2 i think. Don have for me the best game he never play in PO. He did not score much 17 pts. take only 11 shoot but deliver 13 assists and was +24. This night he play the way he should play every
PO game, as a smart leader. Why can't he do that all the time? a bit of mistery for me as he got the talent.
 
hgb said:
I don't get the points-per-shot perspective at all. Why does that matter? The fact that there's no shot on the box score when a player was fouled is meaningless, it's still a possession. Not saying it isn't important to get to the line, because of course it is, but getting 2 points on 2 FTs and 2 points on a made basket doesn't make any other difference than adding to the other team's foul trouble.
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What's easier? Making a basket or making two FTs?

You want the ball in the hands of people who get the easiest shots and if your lead handler can't draw fouls while taking a lot of midrange shots that's an issue imo
 
Mitchell didn’t choose Cleveland. He was sent here when he thought he was going to New York. Mitchell has been a model teammate during his time here. Nevertheless, talk has persisted in league circles throughout this season that he will indeed go to New York at his first opportunity. The Cavs knew the score when they made the deal and now they’re in a difficult spot. Mitchell has two years of team control remaining before a player option year.

Given all the assets the Cavs surrendered to acquire him, do you really believe they can let him walk away during the summer of 2025 and get nothing in return? Dan Gilbert told people close to him for years he should’ve traded LeBron James in the summer of 2009 when James had a year left on his contract the first time he was in Cleveland. Gilbert’s explanation was simply that James wouldn’t commit long term and they couldn’t risk losing the asset for nothing. At the time, trading the best player in the game would’ve been a public relations disaster, particularly when he grew up down the street. But Gilbert vowed after James left in 2010 he’d never again let a player hold his organization hostage.

If Gilbert felt that way about James in 2009, how do you think he’ll react when facing a similar situation with Mitchell? If the Cavs can’t get a commitment from him, they could easily be forced into trading him next summer when he has a year of team control remaining.
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theathletic.com

Let's have the uncomfortable Donovan Mitchell conversation

Mitchell was a massive disappointment against the Knicks, something he owned. Now, the Cavs' pressure to win big is increasing rapidly.
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Well, honeymoon is over in Cleveland.

Anyone else pretty excited to own the drafts for the Cavs and Wolves moving forward? They both basically have no clear way to improve
 
David Stern said:
theathletic.com

Let's have the uncomfortable Donovan Mitchell conversation

Mitchell was a massive disappointment against the Knicks, something he owned. Now, the Cavs' pressure to win big is increasing rapidly.
theathletic.com theathletic.com

Well, honeymoon is over in Cleveland.

Anyone else pretty excited to own the drafts for the Cavs and Wolves moving forward? They both basically have no clear way to improve
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I died laughing when I read "Nevertheless, talk has persisted in league circles throughout this season that he will indeed go to New York at his first opportunity.". Glad we dont have to deal with that anymore
 
The funniest **** is that this is by far the worst playoff loss in Don's career.

The Cavs were favored in the series and they only won a single game and got beat easily in 3 of them.

JULIUS RANDLE WAS INJURED AND HOBBLING OUT THERE. WIthout Rudy this dude is out here losing to a bunch of non All-Stars smfh. Certified scrub. Praise Danny Ainge.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Cleveland did not exceed expectations… at all.
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I believe they did, and many agree with me. They completely missed the playoffs the year before, and they became a home seed in the Eastern Conference and won 51 games. They rely on 9 players under the age of 26 making them one of the youngest teams in the NBA.

If you break down their production, they had the 28th bench production in the league. That means Don, Garland, Mobley, Allen and probably the worst SF options in the league doing a lot of work. If you watched this NY series, it's blatantly obvious that Garland and Don pretty much have to do everything, and nobody wins in the playoffs like that.

It's a young team that has to grow up to take that next step.
 
Nothing amazes me anymore, but some of you guys just simply don't acknowledge that it's a team game when it's all said and done. No single player wins a game or a series. Everybody has to pull their weight.

The Cavs are razor thin and they rely on freaking LaVert to be an impact player for them. That's true desperation.
 
LoPo said:
I believe they did, and many agree with me. They completely missed the playoffs the year before, and they became a home seed in the Eastern Conference and won 51 games. They rely on 9 players under the age of 26 making them one of the youngest teams in the NBA.

If you break down their production, they had the 28th bench production in the league. That means Don, Garland, Mobley, Allen and probably the worst SF options in the league doing a lot of work. If you watched this NY series, it's blatantly obvious that Garland and Don pretty much have to do everything, and nobody wins in the playoffs like that.

It's a young team that has to grow up to take that next step.
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So to be clear, what you're saying is Don can't carry a team? I think we learned this over the course of his career here. He is a nice complementary piece with his limitations on desire to defend and lack of size. You really need a guy like Lauri who has it all. Nice job by DA to find that trade for us.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The funniest **** is that this is by far the worst playoff loss in Don's career.

The Cavs were favored in the series and they only won a single game and got beat easily in 3 of them.

JULIUS RANDLE WAS INJURED AND HOBBLING OUT THERE. WIthout Rudy this dude is out here losing to a bunch of non All-Stars smfh. Certified scrub. Praise Danny Ainge.
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I just don't agree with this assessment, and not because who posted it.

Young teams struggle in the playoffs, and the Cavs were no different. Don and Brunson put up identical numbers so it wasn't one over the other in that discussion.

It comes down to who surrounds the players leading the charge. Don increased his assists by 2 per game even though Mobley averaged HALF of his point production from the regular season and Jarrett Allen pulled down 3 less rebounds per game. Even without Randle for a few stretches, the Cleveland front court was massively outplayed by the NY front court. Mobley and Allen both played 38 minutes a night and put up putrid numbers.

38 minutes a night for two guys who can't shoot. It just doesn't work especially if they aren't rebounding at a high rate.
 
SoUjazzfan said:
So to be clear, what you're saying is Don can't carry a team? I think we learned this over the course of his career here. He is a nice complementary piece with his limitations on desire to defend and lack of size. You really need a guy like Lauri who has it all. Nice job by DA to find that trade for us.
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Nobody can carry a team. How far did Steph Curry go when Klay was hurt a few years ago? That's right, lost in the first round.

Sometimes Cy, you need to stop attacking, watch some basketball history, and learn why things happen. The Cavs showed all the signs of why teams struggle in the playoffs - youth, lack of depth, lack of shooters. Those three things are kind of important.
 
LoPo said:
Nobody can carry a team. How far did Steph Curry go when Klay was hurt a few years ago? That's right, lost in the first round.

Sometimes Cy, you need to stop attacking, watch some basketball history, and learn why things happen. The Cavs showed all the signs of why teams struggle in the playoffs - youth, lack of depth, lack of shooters. Those three things are kind of important.
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Jimmy Butler is doing a rather nice job of it in Miami as we speak.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
What's easier? Making a basket or making two FTs?

You want the ball in the hands of people who get the easiest shots and if your lead handler can't draw fouls while taking a lot of midrange shots that's an issue imo
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Depends on the shot, but even 40% FG translates to a pretty decent 80% FT percentage.

I definitely agree that being able to draw fouls is a good skill, I just think the "points per shot" counting is pretty useless. The time you were fouled was also a possession, very often a shot. At the very least, no one else on your team had a shot. It makes zero sense to me to not count those when you count points per "shot".
 
SoUjazzfan said:
Jimmy Butler is doing a rather nice job of it in Miami as we speak.
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Another example of "you should do your homework" before speaking.

There were 4 guys other than Jimmy Butler who scored over 10 points last night. Adebayo had a triple double.

Mobley average 9.8 for the series even though he played 38mpg. Allen averaged like 8ppg in 38 mpg.

Don had an average series. Could have done more. The Cavs have roster issues which any objective basketball fan can see.
 
LoPo said:
Another example of "you should do your homework" before speaking.

There were 4 guys other than Jimmy Butler who scored over 10 points last night. Adebayo had a triple double.

Mobley average 9.8 for the series even though he played 38mpg. Allen averaged like 8ppg in 38 mpg.

Don had an average series. Could have done more. The Cavs have roster issues which any objective basketball fan can see.
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Crazy how when you're a shot happy chucker ball hog your teammates don't average a lot of points.


Just shows you how hard it is to build around Mitchell cuz he's a small little chucker. You need a PG next to him because when he takes 28 shots in a PO game you need another guard who can actually get players shots. You need a defense next to him because he can't guard anymore. You need shooting because he's short so he needs space inside or he has to live on tough shots which he will inevitably start missing at some point.
 
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