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Trade up? What are you willing to give up?

What do you think guys about Rupert? He is only 18, got a decent season in New Zeeland. Seems to be a good defender and have a kind of Bridges potential. Seems to be positionned around 20 in the draft.
Unless you need a defensive stopper to round your team off for a playoffs run, I think Cissoko is a much more rounded, skilled and accomplished player at this point.

Also watching the playoffs and seeing how Vanderbilt struggles to get game time cos he can’t knock down the 3 consistently gives me pause drafting a strictly defensive player.
 
Unless you need a defensive stopper to round your team off for a playoffs run, I think Cissoko is a much more rounded, skilled and accomplished player at this point.

Also watching the playoffs and seeing how Vanderbilt struggles to get game time cos he can’t knock down the 3 consistently gives me pause drafting a strictly defensive player.
I quite agree with that. Not easy to make the right choice. Hope DA and his team keep doing some magic.
 
I'm somewhat of a Scoot skeptic, would not pay whatever price it would cost to get him (probably Lauri).

If there's a guy I'd target, it would be Cam Whitmore and there's a decent shot he's there at 6. I think a deal with ORL makes sense. They are dying for a player like Gradey Dick and they could get him at #9.

I'm terrible at this draft pick trade value stuff, but I think 9+16 or 9+28+protected future first for #6 sounds about right.

This.
Do it!

Cam is who i would be trying to trade up for.
 
Jazz could offer #9 + #16 to move up to #6. I might do that for Cam Whitmore or a Thompson. I'd then want to find a way to trade back into the mid 1st round though.

Ya i would rather do 16 and 9 to move up for cam than sexton and 9
 
Is Cam really that much better than what we’re looking at ror pick #9 to spend extra assets?

I think so. I wouldnt use a lot of assets though. Just 16 and 9 or something like that.
 
What do you think guys about Rupert? He is only 18, got a decent season in New Zeeland. Seems to be a good defender and have a kind of Bridges potential. Seems to be positionned around 20 in the draft.
He’s in play for me at 28 but not any sooner. I used to be altogether opposed but his measurables are indeed top-notch and I realized he could maybe be a draft and stash which I really value.
 
How about trading for Portland's 3rd pick and taking Scoot Henderson with that 3rd pick. Just make 3 teams trade with Philadelphia and Portland? Philadephia is getting old and is in the situation, which they might have just to start over again, especially if Harden leaves or Embiid says that he wants to be traded. So what i am suggesting is that Philadelphia sends Embiid to Portland and Portland sends Scoot to Utah. And Utah sends something like 9, 16, 28 2023 draft picks and maybe Lakers first round pick and something like 3-4 more first rounders to Philadelphia and then just put needed fillers to make the salaries to match (can be done, tested it at ESPN nba trade machine). Idea is also not trading any of our future core players (Lauri, Kessler, Ochie) on this process. Then go after for some forward in free agent market or make some other trade to get one or just keep this draft's 9 pick and draft one (like hendricks, dick, whitmore?)? Any thoughs?
 
I like Rayan as a toolsy player who can do a lot of things - has elite level perimeter defense in him. He can even do spot point guard duties. Needs some more better shooting from the outside but there are flashes but for me that is the only thing that makes me wince a little. I like him as super scrub even better than Black for the Jazz.
 
How about trading for Portland's 3rd pick and taking Scoot Henderson with that 3rd pick. Just make 3 teams trade with Philadelphia and Portland? Philadephia is getting old and is in the situation, which they might have just to start over again, especially if Harden leaves or Embiid says that he wants to be traded. So what i am suggesting is that Philadelphia sends Embiid to Portland and Portland sends Scoot to Utah. And Utah sends something like 9, 16, 28 2023 draft picks and maybe Lakers first round pick and something like 3-4 more first rounders to Philadelphia and then just put needed fillers to make the salaries to match (can be done, tested it at ESPN nba trade machine). Idea is also not trading any of our future core players (Lauri, Kessler, Ochie) on this process. Then go after for some forward in free agent market or make some other trade to get one or just keep this draft's 9 pick and draft one (like hendricks, dick, whitmore?)? Any thoughs?

You are suggesting trading 6-7 firsts for Scoot?
 
You are suggesting trading 6-7 firsts for Scoot?
Basically yes. I think that it what it they want in minimum if we dont send lauri or walker in the process. Its just that that 28 pick is not very valuable. And Utah have what 13 first round picks in next 5 years? And i like the kid (Scoot) already.
 
You are suggesting trading 6-7 firsts for Scoot?
I would not quite go that far... but I think that is something we should consider with our treasure trove of firsts. If you can do #9 and like 3 unprotected firsts they can route those firsts to a team in a win now deal during FA... or at least convince Dame that is the plan. They can also split the baby.

I would feel better about sending 3-4 firsts to land an All-NBA prospect than I would sending 6-7 firsts plus extra stuff for an all-star that starts our championship window prematurely. Say its #9, Lakers pick, Cavs 2025, Minny 2027 for #3... they can convince themselves that they can flip the picks for some players and draft a prospect they like at #9 still.

The problem is we have so many picks they might keep saying "one more" not that DA plays those games but I can see a team moving the line a lot.
 
I think so. I wouldnt use a lot of assets though. Just 16 and 9 or something like that.
Imo that’s too expensive to move I’m guessing two spots. We can still get a good building block with 16
How about trading for Portland's 3rd pick and taking Scoot Henderson with that 3rd pick. Just make 3 teams trade with Philadelphia and Portland? Philadephia is getting old and is in the situation, which they might have just to start over again, especially if Harden leaves or Embiid says that he wants to be traded. So what i am suggesting is that Philadelphia sends Embiid to Portland and Portland sends Scoot to Utah. And Utah sends something like 9, 16, 28 2023 draft picks and maybe Lakers first round pick and something like 3-4 more first rounders to Philadelphia and then just put needed fillers to make the salaries to match (can be done, tested it at ESPN nba trade machine). Idea is also not trading any of our future core players (Lauri, Kessler, Ochie) on this process. Then go after for some forward in free agent market or make some other trade to get one or just keep this draft's 9 pick and draft one (like hendricks, dick, whitmore?)? Any thoughs?

Basically yes. I think that it what it they want in minimum if we dont send lauri or walker in the process. Its just that that 28 pick is not very valuable. And Utah have what 13 first round picks in next 5 years? And i like the kid (Scoot) already.
Holy shnizzballs Batman!!! I’m not trading 6-7 picks for the rights to draft a rookie that may or may not be really good draft picks at any spot is a crapshoot. Just think how this trade would set us back if he turns out to not be a superstar. Not only do you limit your ability to get better you now can’t buy a star unless a star free agent chooses Utah. When has that ever happened?
 
So to directly answer the question...

If it is 9 plus one future first round pick to move to 6 and select Cam/Amen I would do it.

If it is 9 plus 3 future firsts to move to #3 I would probably do that too. Would be worth it for Scoot or Miller. Its a big bet but I think its the type of bet we should make now... so in 2 years we can make the follow up move.
 
I am not sure I trade 7 unprotected picks for ****ing Luka.
6-7 is excessive, but I like the thought of making the superstar trade before the guy is a superstar as there is a little more upside to offset the risk. I think 9+3 picks is the line I wouldn't cross probably... and you'd have to feel pretty good about Scoot or Miller... I do.
 
Imo that’s too expensive to move I’m guessing two spots. We can still get a good building block with 16



Holy shnizzballs Batman!!! I’m not trading 6-7 picks for the rights to draft a rookie that may or may not be really good draft picks at any spot is a crapshoot. Just think how this trade would set us back if he turns out to not be a superstar. Not only do you limit your ability to get better you now can’t buy a star unless a star free agent chooses Utah. When has that ever happened?
Thanks. I like batman :) Anyway "experts" say that Scoot would be close 1 pick in another draft and he would also be in the rookie deal in few years. So Utah would have plenty of caproom to make more moves. Also you just dont collect picks, you try to make a winning team. It just depends what you think about Scoot. I think that he has a good potential to be very good player, maybe even all-star in the future. It just that you seldom have chance to get up in draft to get such a potential player. And it is possible to change the deal a bit, because now its very favorable to Portland i think (they get Embiid). If Portland sends on that 3 team deal Nurtic and A.Simons to Philadelphia, then maybe its enough to send 9, 16, 28 2023 draft picks and lakers first and something like 2 firsts to Philadelphia and philadelphia sends embiid to Portland and portland Scoot for Utah. I know it still is somewhere 5 firsts for Scoot, but one is just late first rounder (28?). I think that would be a good deal to Portland and for Utah. Not sure what philadelphia would think about it though (they have to give up Embiid) and start over.
 
I would not quite go that far... but I think that is something we should consider with our treasure trove of firsts. If you can do #9 and like 3 unprotected firsts they can route those firsts to a team in a win now deal during FA... or at least convince Dame that is the plan. They can also split the baby.

I would feel better about sending 3-4 firsts to land an All-NBA prospect than I would sending 6-7 firsts plus extra stuff for an all-star that starts our championship window prematurely. Say its #9, Lakers pick, Cavs 2025, Minny 2027 for #3... they can convince themselves that they can flip the picks for some players and draft a prospect they like at #9 still.

The problem is we have so many picks they might keep saying "one more" not that DA plays those games but I can see a team moving the line a lot.

3-4 is a lot different than 6-7.
 
I would not quite go that far... but I think that is something we should consider with our treasure trove of firsts. If you can do #9 and like 3 unprotected firsts they can route those firsts to a team in a win now deal during FA... or at least convince Dame that is the plan. They can also split the baby.

I would feel better about sending 3-4 firsts to land an All-NBA prospect than I would sending 6-7 firsts plus extra stuff for an all-star that starts our championship window prematurely. Say its #9, Lakers pick, Cavs 2025, Minny 2027 for #3... they can convince themselves that they can flip the picks for some players and draft a prospect they like at #9 still.

The problem is we have so many picks they might keep saying "one more" not that DA plays those games but I can see a team moving the line a lot.
First of all... as I have said already, I have not watched enough of these players to have this strong of opinion on any of them, but IF Danny feels strongly about any of them, I think we should seriously consider packaging some of our picks to move up to get him(whoever it is - Scoot, Miller, Whitmore, Amen?). Right now we are in the beginning of our rebuild, but relatively soon we will start having trouble rostering all those draft picks and we will start losing some of them for nothing or close to nothing. This happened with some of the recent picks Ainge had in Boston because they had too many 1st rounders they were unable to package and consolidate into one or two bigger/better pieces.

And of course yes - the alternative is - packaging those same picks for a star or two... The thing is... we have so many picks right now, we can afford to package half of them for a player we really love and still have plenty enough to go after pretty much any superstar in the league if such opportunity arises.
 
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