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Team starting to crack

mellow

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Looks like the team is about to crack,

From Tribjazz:
Clear divide between postgame reactions of Corbin and Jazz. Corbin said he's not overly concerned and team will fix things by regrouping. ..
... Several Jazz players, including Bell, Miles and Millsap, said Utah doesn't have an identity and nothing is working. Millsap was very ..direct. Said it hasn't felt good on the court for a while and Jazz don't know what they're doing. To fix problem, he said, Utah ...... first has to figure out what it problem is. Right now, team doesn't know and there's been no explanation.

Miles said he can see Jazz's bad body language. Shoulders slump and effort goes south when shots don't fall. Then everything snowballs.

Lockedonsports:
Very interesting talking 2 players. They all talk about missing shots and getting taken out.

From Sltrib:
C.J. Miles discussed postgame Utah's "slumped shoulders." Some players showed the worst body language seen all season.

Milsap: "It just feels all bad, man. It’s not a good feeling at all. We want to try to stay positive as much as possible. But things are just not going right right now."

Raja Bell: Bell was overheard near the scorer’s table talking to reserve point guard Earl Watson, pounding home the Jazz’s poor execution. "We consistently do dumb [crap]," Bell said. "Wcan’t even help it."
Raja Bell's "We do dumb [crap]" in-game comment to Earl Watson took the cake Tuesday. But he had at least two other moments where his frustration boiled over. When walking by a Jazz broadcaster, a fiery Bell complained about "[freaking] screens." Then he yelled out "[Freak]!" and slammed his hand down on the scorer's table after Utah allowed a blow by.
Raja: “ I don't know that we know who we are as a team.”
 
This is the fine line a coach has to walk, can't yank players for missing shots but need to emphasize being yanked for not playing team D or not running the offense. Now the player comprehension and perception of why they got yanked he may not be able to control.
With vets it can be tricky for several reasons, sense of entitlement, leadership provided, hierarchy, locker room presence for those reasons and more it can be more harmful to a team if a coach losses a vet as apposed to a rookie or 2nd year player.
 
The one big question mark I have at this time is whether Ty's hands are tied regarding possible trades. Does he have to play certain guys to keep them in the trade spotlight? Harris? Howard? Whoever.

But this does not bode well. They do not know who they are. Ty has come across as uncertain and indecisive all along, and this is an echo of that. For example, why has he not decided on a captain? What is he waiting for?

Agreed about the shooting thing. Taking bad shots is one thing but getting yanked for just missing them is another. The one time I thought he really should have yanked guys was the first few minutes against the Clips when they went highlight real dunks on their first 5 possesions. Not even a timeout.
 
The one big question mark I have at this time is whether Ty's hands are tied regarding possible trades. Does he have to play certain guys to keep them in the trade spotlight? Harris? Howard? Whoever.

But this does not bode well. They do not know who they are. Ty has come across as uncertain and indecisive all along, and this is an echo of that. For example, why has he not decided on a captain? What is he waiting for?

Agreed about the shooting thing. Taking bad shots is one thing but getting yanked for just missing them is another. The one time I thought he really should have yanked guys was the first few minutes against the Clips when they went highlight real dunks on their first 5 possesions. Not even a timeout.

Has anyone shown captain like ability? You don't just anoint a captain for the sake of doing so.
 
The one big question mark I have at this time is whether Ty's hands are tied regarding possible trades. Does he have to play certain guys to keep them in the trade spotlight? Harris? Howard? Whoever.

But this does not bode well. They do not know who they are. Ty has come across as uncertain and indecisive all along, and this is an echo of that. For example, why has he not decided on a captain? What is he waiting for?

Agreed about the shooting thing. Taking bad shots is one thing but getting yanked for just missing them is another. The one time I thought he really should have yanked guys was the first few minutes against the Clips when they went highlight real dunks on their first 5 possesions. Not even a timeout.

agreed when does Ty stop getting a free pass because of last years situation and no training camp. Other teams have been through hard times, every team had the same amount of training camp time this year. ..
I want to see Ty succeed and I'm not calling for his head but I'm not overly impressed with how he runs the team ont the court. No one seems to know their role.
 
I have minimal sympathy for a group of twenty-year-olds that are more rich than anyone of us can comprehend. They are famous, they have virtually every advantage that society can possibly give a person, and yet, they can't consistently "try hard", or consistently hit a jumper, or pout when they get benched because they are not playing well.

#improveeveryday

Give me a break...
 
agreed when does Ty stop getting a free pass because of last years situation and no training camp. Other teams have been through hard times, every team had the same amount of training camp time this year. ..
I want to see Ty succeed and I'm not calling for his head but I'm not overly impressed with how he runs the team ont the court. No one seems to know their role.

Nate McMillan, who is considered one of the better coaches, has a veteran Blazer's team who has been together for a while doing pretty poorly. The lockout effect is real.
 
Personally, I am not surprised by this because it has happened a lot every year. Guys whining about minutes. How can you not know your roles? The rotations have been pretty consistent for the veterans. If you don't make shots and you are doing nothing else then why should you get minutes? This isn't necessarily a Ty problem, this is the same crap that got Jerry fed up with NBA players. So when the going gets tough or you don't get your minutes then you just pout on the bench. I don't care who it is. Get them out of town. The Jazz don't need weak-minded whiners on the team.
 
Personally, I am not surprised by this because it has happened a lot every year. Guys whining about minutes. How can you not know your roles? The rotations have been pretty consistent for the veterans. If you don't make shots and you are doing nothing else then why should you get minutes? This isn't necessarily a Ty problem, this is the same crap that got Jerry fed up with NBA players. So when the going gets tough or you don't get your minutes then you just pout on the bench. I don't care who it is. Get them out of town. The Jazz don't need weak-minded whiners on the team.

When you aren't winning this is what happens.
 
I didn't notice anybody whining about not getting minutes, and whining is in the eye of the beholder anyway...
Would you rather have guys who don't care if they play or not?
 
The one big question mark I have at this time is whether Ty's hands are tied regarding possible trades. Does he have to play certain guys to keep them in the trade spotlight? Harris? Howard? Whoever.

....who in there right mind would want to trade for ANY of the current Jazz players??? And playing them for "showcasing" purposes is about the worst thing the coach can do! What exactly is he "showcasing?" Pathetic uncoachable, unmotivated, basketball slop?
 
I'm going to hold off judgement until the trade deadline, but if this is the same team we see after the trade deadline—and Harris, Howard, and anyone else Jackpotting around aren't firmly ***-planted on the bench the second the clock hits 12:01am on March 16th—then it will be on Ty. And we might just have to dump him for a more proven coach? (Who?...I don't know. I'll let you guys figure that out.)
 
Wow, a couple losses and everyone is freaking out. I'm willing to suffer through this year.

Remember when Ty was a COTY front-runner?

The Jazz exceeded expectations and now expectations have changed just in time for the Jazz to not meet our new and unrealistic expectations.
 
It is a very hard balance to develop young players while making veterans happy. When you are winning games its not a big deal but once the losing bug kicks in then those vets are going to bitch.
 
This is the problem with not rewarding players who are giving efforts.

Kanter & Burks have clearly outplayed Millsap & Bell/Hayward in the last couple of games effort-wise.

It's time to reward these guys with either bigger minutes or starting them.

There's no point handing out starting roles to the "old vets". Give them out to players who have shown efforts. I remember when Sloan played Matthews because of the effort he was putting in at the defensive end. Both Kanter (defense/rebounding) and Burks (penetration/foul shooting) have been very impressive in the limited minutes they've been given.

May be by starting these youngins' the "old vets" would step it up a little.
 
When Miles' minutes dipped to single digits for a few games, he came back amazingly improved. Of course he's slid back a bit by now.
Kanter AND Burks both deserve more minutes. Kanter has already shown to be a much better defender and rebounder than Millsap in his limited minutes. I'm wondering how a backcourt of Bell & Burks would work, with Hayward facilitating the majority of the offensive sets. Both Millsap & Harris have been out of sorts the last few games.
I am for focusing on defense, not just against some opponents (like Memphis), but vs ALL opponents. THAT should be our identity, like the old Chuck Daly Detroit Piston teams. It was our defense that won that Memphis game in such impressive fashion for us more so than offense. That should have taught our guys (and coaches) SOMETHING!
 
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