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The Thriller said:
Might be the worst defensive player in the league.
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Might be the least thought through post ever.

Korver is certainly no defensive juggernaut, but to characterize him as wholly ineffective is grossly inaccurate.

Two benefits to having Korver on the floor: 1. He can actually hit a 3 point shot. 2. He forces the defense to choose between him and the post.

Okay, 3 benefits. He's so dreamy!

But yeah, he shouldn't be getting major minutes, so the question is, can we pick up someone else who can fill that role? I understand not wanting Korver back, but if we can't do any better, why not?
 
Bronco70 said:
Might be the least thought through post ever.

Korver is certainly no defensive juggernaut, but to characterize him as wholly ineffective is grossly inaccurate.

Two benefits to having Korver on the floor: 1. He can actually hit a 3 point shot. 2. He forces the defense to choose between him and the post.

Okay, 3 benefits. He's so dreamy!

But yeah, he shouldn't be getting major minutes, so the question is, can we pick up someone else who can fill that role? I understand not wanting Korver back, but if we can't do any better, why not?
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No disrespect bronc, but this is the worst attribute of Jazz fans.
 
When Korver started out in Philly he was probably the softest defender in the league. Nobody cared because he was one of the few people on Earth that Iverson would pass to.

Even thought he's still limited, he gets points for working hard and playing smart, team D.

I think when you come in a league with a rep, it kind of stays with you whether you've outgrown it or not.
 
If you have watched Korver play for Chicago this year, you'd see he is not a liability on defense. And if I had the option, I'd take Korver's offense and defense as a whole over Brewer's. And I think most Bulls fans would too.

Coach Thibodeau has even praised Korver's defense this year.
 
Without having read the entire thread I am sure others have expressed the sentiment that we have to get better with our 3 point shooting. I would much rather have Korver than Howard, but considering I believe we only have about 4 million to spend not sure if that would be enough to get him.
 
Korver >>>>> Howard (Offense and Defense)
Korver >>>> CJ Miles (Offense and Defense)
Korver >>>> Raja (Offense)
Korver >= Raja (Defense)
Korver >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Howard, CJ, and Raja (as a teammate)

If we can get him back for our TPE and lose all 3 of those guys mentioned above, while bringing in a rook or someone else at that spot that's a shooter-like that can learn under Korver, you gotta be on another level of full-retard to NOT be all for this.
 
chawx said:
If we can get him back for our TPE and lose all 3 of those guys mentioned above, while bringing in a rock or someone else at that spot that's a shooter-like that can learn under Korver, you gotta be on another level of full-retard to NOT be all for this.
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Rock>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Howard, CJ, and Raja.
 
Stars Fan said:
For $5 million a year?

I'd take him for CJ money...$3 mill a year
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My point is that guys that want to take and usually make clutch shots in high pressure situations almost always make more than $5 million a year. Usually a lot more.
 
NUMBERICA said:
The Jazz didn't resign Korver because they had $27 million ****ing (that's half of the cap) tied up in Memo for no reason and AK because they couldn't or wouldn't unload the ****ing free loader.
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We didn't re-sign Korver because someone was stupidly willing to completely overpay for his services much like Orlando did with Redick. We would have re-signed him if we could have. He simply got way too big an offer.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
We didn't re-sign Korver because someone was stupidly willing to completely overpay for his services much like Orlando did with Redick. We would have re-signed him if we could have. He simply got way too big an offer.
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Too big an offer? He made the practically the same amount of money on his new deal as on his old one.

But ultimately we agree. It WAS too big an offer, because the Jazz had $27 MILLION tied up in dead weight.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
We didn't re-sign Korver because someone was stupidly willing to completely overpay for his services much like Orlando did with Redick. We would have re-signed him if we could have. He simply got way too big an offer.
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A 3-year $15 million deal at a flat yearly rate w/a 3rd-year team option is not "way to big an offer," it's actually pretty close to market value for a player of Korver's services. The Jazz simply didn't have any wiggle room to spend that type of money on a non-starter, so they let him walk w/out making an offer.

Perhaps you've confused Wes Matthews (5 yr $34 million) with Korver, they kind of look alike.
 
vslice02 said:
A 3-year $15 million deal at a flat yearly rate w/a 3rd-year team option is not "way to big an offer," it's actually pretty close to market value for a player of Korver's services. The Jazz simply didn't have any wiggle room to spend that type of money on a non-starter, so they let him walk w/out making an offer.

Perhaps you've confused Wes Matthews (5 yr $34 million) with Korver, they kind of look alike.
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In addition to the above, Korver actually wanted to stay in Utah, and waited around for the Jazz to make him an offer... any offer. I'm not suggesting he would have played here for free, but that he would have accepted an offer from Utah for less than what he signed with the Bulls.
 
I don't think Korver would've taken less necessarily, but $15/3 years is par for the course and a totally sensible contract. The Jazz just COULDN'T do it.
 
Any substance to the notion that Korver is a bad defender? In all honesty, I hate to play the race card but does the fact that he's a shooter without extreme athleticism make everyone peg him for being completely one-dimensional and like all those others guys who are shooters only?
 
infection said:
Any substance to the notion that Korver is a bad defender? In all honesty, I hate to play the race card but does the fact that he's a shooter without extreme athleticism make everyone peg him for being completely one-dimensional and like all those others guys who are shooters only?
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Individually Korver struggles - particularly with footspeed both in transition and chasing guys around screens, and if your opponent has an elite perimeter scorer (LeBron, Wade, Kobe, Durant, ect) there's absolutely no way you can put Korver on him and if they have two elite scorers like the Heat or Thunder, there's no way Korver can be on the floor.
The underrated part is he's a very good team-defender, he's quick in his rotations and help and despite the pretty boy image he's shown a willingness to sacrafice his body and take charges.
Again, talent aquistion is all about trade-offs and how pieces fit. IMO the positives still out-weigh the negatives [fixed, thanks Numberica], especially when you consider the positives are precisely what the Jazz desperately need.
 
vslice02 said:
Individually Korver struggles - particularly with footspeed both in transition and chasing guys around screens, and if you're opponent has an elite perimeter scorer (LeBron, Wade, Kobe, Durant, ect) there's absolutely no way you can put Korver on him and if they have two elite scorers like the Heat or Thunder, there's no way Korver can be on the floor.
The underrated part is he's a very good team-defender, he's quick in his rotations and help and despite the pretty boy image he's shown a willingness to sacrafice his body and take charges.
Again, talent aquistion is all about trade-offs and how pieces fit. IMO the negatives still out-weigh the positives, especially when you consider the positives are precisely what the Jazz desperately need.
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I think you meant to say that the positives outweigh the negatives, which if that is the case then I co-sign this post. As usual.
 
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