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Mormon LeBron (Jabari Parker of Simeon HS)

The problem isn't that Brigham Young was a terrible racist (history has already proven that fact for us), the problem is that he is on record many times stating that his racist beliefs were divine in nature and sanctioned by the almighty.

I've actually always been fascinated by the relationship between modern day mormons and Brigham Young. Probably no single individual is as responsible for saying numerous idiotic things that make so many issues uncomfortable for the LDS church even to this day. Yet, while he was running around saying all of those awful things, he was alledgedly doing so while also being the voice of god for his restored church.

I have to believe that most rational mormons read alot of BY's quotes and just cringe. Just an opinion from an outsider, but it seems like most mormons would rather steer extremely clear of discussing Brigham Young and his ideals when it comes to talking with non-members.

The founding fathers were slave owners yet we still praise them for their accomplishments, and the majority of white men in America at that time thought exactly the same as Brigham if not worse. We look back at it now and judge but put it into context. Everyone is a product of their environment.

As for him mixing his racism and religion that sin is on him. There is no doctrine that a prophet does not sin.
 
The founding fathers were slave owners yet we still praise them for their accomplishments, and the majority of white men in America at that time thought exactly the same as Brigham if not worse. We look back at it now and judge but put it into context. Everyone is a product of their environment.

As for him mixing his racism and religion that sin is on him. There is no doctrine that a prophet does not sin.



Our founding fathers where many things, but none of them were considered to be prophets. Using them as an example is foolish and a pretty blatant attempt to cloud the issue.

As far as BY mixing racism and religion, it boils down to something deeper than a prophet being foulable. That's not the argument. In fact, it NEVER has been the argument. The argument is: Can you really call somebody a prophet when they are spewing racial hate and basically saying that those beliefs are shared by god?
 
Our founding fathers where many things, but none of them were considered to be prophets. Using them as an example is foolish and a pretty blatant attempt to cloud the issue.

As far as BY mixing racism and religion, it boils down to something deeper than a prophet being foulable. That's not the argument. In fact, it NEVER has been the argument. The argument is: Can you really call somebody a prophet when they are spewing racial hate and basically saying that those beliefs are shared by god?

Again Brigham was a product of his environment like everyone else. I am not here to judge him. But do I believe he was allowed to sin? Yes. Do I agree with what he said? No.

Whatever other Mormons say the church has evolved with society. I'm sure Brigham would not even recognize today's church.

Even today there are people in the church that say some crazy stuff. It happens all the time. But that just comes with religion.
 
The problem isn't that Brigham Young was a terrible racist (history has already proven that fact for us), the problem is that he is on record many times stating that his racist beliefs were divine in nature and sanctioned by the almighty.

I've actually always been fascinated by the relationship between modern day mormons and Brigham Young. Probably no single individual is as responsible for saying numerous idiotic things that make so many issues uncomfortable for the LDS church even to this day. Yet, while he was running around saying all of those awful things, he was alledgedly doing so while also being the voice of god for his restored church.

I have to believe that most rational mormons read alot of BY's quotes and just cringe. Just an opinion from an outsider, but it seems like most mormons would rather steer extremely clear of discussing Brigham Young and his ideals when it comes to talking with non-members.

With that said, BY had some of the most profound and spiritual quotes from the church. Not everyone is perfect and he acted as a man while being the mouth piece of god more than once.
 
I do not understand why this kid's religion is even important. He sounds like a great kid. Heck I would even state why is his race important? I know "fans" like to hold up "their kind" as a shining example of the greatness of their species or religion but will they stand by the person if he/she disappoints them?
 
I do not understand why this kid's religion is even important.

I think the main reason it was mentioned here was the possibility that he might come to BYU, being the church school of his religion.
 
I bumped a thread I started last year regarding Parker, but will link it in here too because he's the cover boy of the next SI https://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/15/is-jabari-parker-ready-for-pressure-that-comes-with-si-cover/

The headline asserts he's so unique because of his faith.

Cowhide hit the nail on the ****ing head. His religion shouldn't matter, his race shouldn't matter. Basketball players are human beings first. Human beings are unique and most are unique in their spirituality. It's as if Sports Illustrated is putting him on the cover because he's so passionate about his faith and really good as hoops, as if it's never happened before. It's not news that people have faith in a religion.

Write about the kid because he's got unparalleled skill for someone his age, and had every college in the country recruiting him before he was 16.

Living in Chicago, and being a hoops head as well, I've been well aware of Jabari since he was in 7th grade (no joke). There was a big article on him, Tommy Hamilton (son of Thomas Hamilton - one of the 7 footers on King who Arthur Agee's team beat in Hoop Dreams down state - who's career ultimately derailed for off-court issues) and Alex Foster. They were being described as the three best 7th graders in the state, and played on the same AAU team which some ******* sportswriter dubbed the Dream Team. Hamilton and Foster are both going to be playing in BCS conference for hoops, and everyone who's in this thread is now aware of how far Jabari has come.

So with all the press Jabari has gotten locally, and nationally, all of it usually is centered around how he's such a great, humble, young man with strong faith. I see right through it. It's ****ing ********. It shouldn't be news that there are good people out there. There's an underlying theme that given where he's from, and where he goes to high school, and the sport he plays it's so mind blowing he isn't some thug headed down a destructive path.

I'm an Illini fan and still hoping he can play in Champaign for a year before he goes pro, but I will be rooting for him regardless of where he ends up. As a basketball fan, he's as fun to watch on the high school level as anyone I've seen in my life. I'm sure hoops fans would appreciate stories about how rare it is for a 17 year old with his size, athleticism, skill, feel for the game and current streak of 3 straight state titles (will most likely get a 4th next season).

It's one thing if this article was going to be giving readers some story that happened off the court that is unique - perhaps an adverse situation that few have to go through - but it's another to pawn off everyday instances as unique.

Sorry for the rant. He deserves all the press he's getting as a basketball player. But having read constantly about him in bball circles for this long, and almost every single one is backhanded, I needed to blow off some steam.... And what better place to do it??
 
I bumped a thread I started last year regarding Parker, but will link it in here too because he's the cover boy of the next SI https://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/15/is-jabari-parker-ready-for-pressure-that-comes-with-si-cover/

The headline asserts he's so unique because of his faith.

Cowhide hit the nail on the ****ing head. His religion shouldn't matter, his race shouldn't matter. Basketball players are human beings first. Human beings are unique and most are unique in their spirituality. It's as if Sports Illustrated is putting him on the cover because he's so passionate about his faith and really good as hoops, as if it's never happened before. It's not news that people have faith in a religion.

Write about the kid because he's got unparalleled skill for someone his age, and had every college in the country recruiting him before he was 16.

Living in Chicago, and being a hoops head as well, I've been well aware of Jabari since he was in 7th grade (no joke). There was a big article on him, Tommy Hamilton (son of Thomas Hamilton - one of the 7 footers on King who Arthur Agee's team beat in Hoop Dreams down state - who's career ultimately derailed for off-court issues) and Alex Foster. They were being described as the three best 7th graders in the state, and played on the same AAU team which some ******* sportswriter dubbed the Dream Team. Hamilton and Foster are both going to be playing in BCS conference for hoops, and everyone who's in this thread is now aware of how far Jabari has come.

So with all the press Jabari has gotten locally, and nationally, all of it usually is centered around how he's such a great, humble, young man with strong faith. I see right through it. It's ****ing ********. It shouldn't be news that there are good people out there. There's an underlying theme that given where he's from, and where he goes to high school, and the sport he plays it's so mind blowing he isn't some thug headed down a destructive path.

I'm an Illini fan and still hoping he can play in Champaign for a year before he goes pro, but I will be rooting for him regardless of where he ends up. As a basketball fan, he's as fun to watch on the high school level as anyone I've seen in my life. I'm sure hoops fans would appreciate stories about how rare it is for a 17 year old with his size, athleticism, skill, feel for the game and current streak of 3 straight state titles (will most likely get a 4th next season).

It's one thing if this article was going to be giving readers some story that happened off the court that is unique - perhaps an adverse situation that few have to go through - but it's another to pawn off everyday instances as unique.

Sorry for the rant. He deserves all the press he's getting as a basketball player. But having read constantly about him in bball circles for this long, and almost every single one is backhanded, I needed to blow off some steam.... And what better place to do it??

Just did some digging on youtube because I remembered seeing this when it came out...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbVKRGXc2uM
 
I don't know why people are getting so butt rummed because people talk about something that's really important to a basketball player and makes him different. Freaking idiots.
 
I don't know why people are getting so butt rummed because people talk about something that's really important to a basketball player and makes him different. Freaking idiots.

Good for the keep for believeing in something. I do not care if it was something I do not believe in. Good for him for having convictions.
 
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