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Explain the Monroe Love

calijazz said:
Even if that player doesn't fit as well as another that's on the board? I'm not a believer in talent being the lone piece of criteria to evaluate a prospect. If we were the Wizards? Yes, pick the BPA because they have holes everywhere. The Jazz? No, pick a player that fills weaknesses, fits a team's mentality and what they are trying to do, and improves the team as a whole. Yes, even if the player is a little less talented overall. Monroe being above and beyond more talented than any other realistic Jazz prospect in this draft is debatable regardless.
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Just because Monroe (or any 'need big') is the best of the available 4's and 5's does not mean the Jazz should take one. At 9 you should be looking for a guy with star potential. If one isn't there, and the difference between a Monroe and a Babbitt isn't deemed that great, take Monroe. But we'll have plenty of guys at 9 better than the serviceable bigs in this draft destined for journeyman status in the NBA.
 
Personally, I think if there aren't any bigs that we really want at #9, we should either take the best wing available or trade down. It may be pretty deflating as a Jazz fan, since so much anticipation has been riding on this lotto pick. But perhaps it might be better for the Jazz to try and trade for multiple mid to late first round draft picks if they cannot trade up and nothing is there at #9 that they really want. Perhaps we could get a serviceable wing and backup PG?

Of course, I'm not sure how we'd ever wind up with 2 draft picks for this not so hot #9 pick. Not unless we somehow package it up with something.

Anyway, I'm eager for the draft to come. However, I'm not really expecting much good to come out of it for the Jazz. The more and more I read the more average this pick appears to me. We could definitely use an above average draft with the soon to be loss of Boozer.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
I hope that's not how he goes to the hole normally, 'cause that was really weak.

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Nice stroke, though. Out to NBA three range. Seems a bit slow though, but that's fine for 6-11.
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Nice find. Thanks for the posting!

He does have a nice jumpshot. Even out to the 3 point arc, which I'm not sure how often he'll be asked to do in a Jazz uni. However, he didn't once make a back to the basket move. I would much rather see his post game (even if it isn't all out contact) than see him shoot uncontested 3's and layups. Don't teams usually require bigs to at least post up a little bit in these pre-draft workouts? I just don't see many teams checking Favors' or Cousins' 3 point shooting ability instead of their postup games.
 
I like that Sacto posts their work outs. Monroe looks exhausted - he can barely elevate and can even barely keep his feet under him and keep his balance. He can't even really run here. He's kind of duck-footed when he runs also. He looks like an injury waiting to happen. Nice shooting stroke though.
 
Catchall said:
I like that Sacto posts their work outs. Monroe looks exhausted - he can barely elevate and can even barely keep his feet under him and keep his balance. He can't even really run here. He's kind of duck-footed when he runs also. He looks like an injury waiting to happen. Nice shooting stroke though.
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I took it as the heart was there, but the legs weren't. At least that's what I hope. Flying across the country and doing workouts constantly is draining. Jet lag is a real thing.

And he did do a few post moves. At least the youtube vid showed a couple. Nothing stuck out though. Didn't show the off hand except on a couple fast break dunks, something easy to do when you're 6'11".
 
MrBlue said:
You are also completely ignoring the fact that he had played each of the past 3 nights with heavy minutes. People who lack intensity dont play well on nights like those. I also dont mind guys who play well on the big stage.
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I don't understand what I'm ignoring. I gave him credit for playing in those games, but it's not like he was the only one who did that. He brought his game on the big stage. I never said that was bad. I'm saying what is concerning is the regular season games that he occasionally disappeared in when he wasn't on the big stage. For his sake, hopefully he's still maturing so those lapses don't occur as often at the NBA level...
 
billyshelby said:
Just because Monroe (or any 'need big') is the best of the available 4's and 5's does not mean the Jazz should take one. At 9 you should be looking for a guy with star potential. If one isn't there, and the difference between a Monroe and a Babbitt isn't deemed that great, take Monroe. But we'll have plenty of guys at 9 better than the serviceable bigs in this draft destined for journeyman status in the NBA.
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I think you're over-optimistic about what could be there at #9. There's very little chance anyone with star potential will fall to the Jazz. This draft isn't flooded with star potential. But yes, if someone with star potential was there at #9 and it wasn't a big man, I would be fine with it. But, I think the best you could hope for with this pick if finding a starter. Finding a star is just not realistic.
 
Ugh, watching that video of Monroe scares the hell out of me. Look at the short steps he takes when he runs, that's poor coordination, and a lack of foot speed coming through in a work out. You can see why he has slower lane agility than a guy like Aldrich, and it doesn't set him up as someone who will be able to run with Deron in the open floor.

As far as being to soft to guard guys in the low post, you would hope he is quick enough to guard perimeter players to make up for it, and that really looks like a stretch with his athleticism. Pass.
 
Ben10 said:
The things that all of you have mentioned as his downfalls are the same things that everyone said Chris Bosh had problems with coming into his draft. Just because a player is given a soft tag doesn't mean that is how he well be when confronted with NBA talent and NBA coaching. The Kid just turned 2o years old and has a lot of development to do. Because he is as developed as he is coming out of Georgetown (a team that develops big men well) he well be gone before the Jazz even get a shot at him. And we well al be shaking our head in a few years when if turns into another Chris Bosh, Chris Webber type player. Thats the problem with the 9th pick its a complete crap shoot.
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1. Chris Bosh is soft so what's your point?
2. Monroe has virtually no low post game unlike the two guys you mentioned.
 
Again, watch his 3-4 minute youtube video. If I remember correctly, in all those "highlights", he has two dunks. JUST TWO. And one of them is on a one on none fast break! The guy has no hops. Seriously,he has less hops than Ostertag. That coupled with the fact that he's a bitch is a huge turn-off for me.
 
MrBlue said:
You are also completely ignoring the fact that he had played each of the past 3 nights with heavy minutes. People who lack intensity dont play well on nights like those. I also dont mind guys who play well on the big stage.
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If you and Locke are trying to make a case for Monroe, by saying that he "steps it up when it counts" like in the Big East tourney, why do you two ignore the only tournament that matters, the NCAA?

What happened to Monroe in the NCAA tournament? Scoring only 19 points, committing 7 turnovers, and fouling out against a team who only had 1 big man over 6 foot 8.... Who looked like this:

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Isn't too impressive at all. In fact, comparing this player's stats and size, he's very similar to Chris Miles of BYU. Think Monroe will face players better than Chris Miles in the NBA?

If Monroe truly is a "gamer" Locke is trying to persuade us, why didn't he truly step it up and take his highly favored team deep into the NCAA tournament? Why did they lose to a 14 seed in the first round of the tournament?

This is classic selection bias, Locke is a smart guy being a stats major (I think) and all. He's selecting a few games which give Monroe a favorable review.
If we are to accurately review Monroe, we should also include the most important game of the season in there, the lone NCAA tournament game. There, we'll see how much of a gamer Monroe is.
If not, then we should consider the long term reg. season. In which there were many games where Monroe played just, "Meh" in.
 
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calijazz said:
I don't understand what I'm ignoring. I gave him credit for playing in those games, but it's not like he was the only one who did that. He brought his game on the big stage. I never said that was bad. I'm saying what is concerning is the regular season games that he occasionally disappeared in when he wasn't on the big stage. For his sake, hopefully he's still maturing so those lapses don't occur as often at the NBA level...
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And I'm saying hes 20 years old and20 year olds can do that from time to time. I just want to know which prospect that could realistically be available at 9 do not have similar complaints? Which one of those also have the skill set Monroe has?

I mean good lord. Took days off? Lets talk Hassan Whiteside . . .
 
Its hard to compare players to each other...that said, Monroe is very polished offensively, his offensive game mirrors Duncan's tho dont take that to mean im comparing him to Duncan, I am not. He just has a good range for a big, doesnt mind hitting short jumpers, doesnt over power u on the block but has a very polished game and passes well. Cerebral.

Defensively, he's a good rebounder, probably be a good body up guy but not a shot blocker or much of a risk taker.
 
I'm not excited by Monroe. At all. His absolute ceiling is a really nice complementary player. His physical attributes are quite 'meh' for a top-10 pick, notwithstanding his rather 'meh' production in general.

The only thing that has piqued my interest was Hollinger's projection (ranked the 4th best prospect in the draft just after Cousins/Turner/Wall and just ahead of Favors), but that's just a projection. Especially since every one of those other guys either carried their teams and/or have elite physical attributes. Monroe has and did none of that.
 
MrBlue said:
And I'm saying hes 20 years old and20 year olds can do that from time to time. I just want to know which prospect that could realistically be available at 9 do not have similar complaints? Which one of those also have the skill set Monroe has?

I mean good lord. Took days off? Lets talk Hassan Whiteside . . .
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You clearly are having trouble reading my posts...I said that he could grow out of the problem because it could be immaturity. But there's also a chance that he won't because that's almost impossible to project. I'm just saying it's one factor to consider in this whole thing, not the only thing. My bigger issue with him is that I don't think he is the ideal fit with the Jazz that I've explained throughout this thread.
 
Catchall said:
I like that Sacto posts their work outs. Monroe looks exhausted - he can barely elevate and can even barely keep his feet under him and keep his balance. He can't even really run here. He's kind of duck-footed when he runs also. He looks like an injury waiting to happen. Nice shooting stroke though.
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Those workouts are designed to exhast you. They keep feeding and feeding you the ball to go up and attack the rim. The coaches are looking to see how a guy fights through that exhaustion to run the drill. You can't guage too much from how exhausted he looked in that clip.
 
I don't live in Utah currently-- the Locke angle was something that I wasn't aware of . That could explain part of it.

Calijazz I think you and I agree mostly on Monroe.
 
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