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carolinajazz

carolinajazz

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Found a great column and observation on the state of today's athlete's, especially NBA players! Just giving you a good sample:
"It used to be you were taught more than you actually played," Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski said. "Now they play more than they're taught, so I think you're getting more athletic players but fewer players who understand the team concept. I don't know so much that they're divas as they are a little bit more concerned with their individual outcome than their collective outcome."

"Kids play here, there and everywhere, yet rarely does anyone talk about who actually won a tournament. They talk about which player "blew up," about who made the biggest name for himself -- not for his team."

"Let's face it, players do, in fact, come to college with posses and entourages, hangers-on who are only too eager to tell their star how good he is and how dumb his coach is for misusing him. Mix that in with a generation of helicopter parents who want to soothe every wrinkle or ease every burden for their children, and you have a concoction waiting to blow."

....I could go on and on, but I'd be cutting and pasting for another 10 minutes!

https://espn.go.com/mens-college-ba...problems-even-best-coaches-college-basketball
 
I think though, in OKC, they have a solid FO and were able to draft well, trade well, and are able to create a young and exciting "team culture" environment where players want to stay there and play. Durant & Westbrook are individually talented, but they have bought into the team concept enough to want to stay and play for the team rather than themselves.

They also have a young coach who is fair enough to play who's hot regardless of whether that player is a vet. Can't say the same about Corbin's tendency to go with a vet as a matter of course.
 
.....most sports writers feel that Westbrook, despite no tattoo's, has NOT bought in to the team concept! By the way, looks like he's out for the remainds of the playoffs! Even if he comes back, he's only going to have 1 of his 2 major advantages: he's still going to be able to palm the ball with impunity.....but won't have the speed and quickness he once had before the injury!
 
OKC is going to struggle mightily without Westbrook and then all you bitches will be like "Damn, Westbrook is pretty god damned good actually. He isn't screwing OKC after all." He could be a little more pass first, but he is a GREAT PG and is borderline impossible to stop.
 
carolinajazz said:
.....most sports writers feel that Westbrook, despite no tattoo's, has NOT bought in to the team concept! By the way, looks like he's out for the remainds of the playoffs! Even if he comes back, he's only going to have 1 of his 2 major advantages: he's still going to be able to palm the ball with impunity.....but won't have the speed and quickness he once had before the injury!
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Horses for courses.

Westbrook knows the best way to help his team win is to be aggressive and take the game over (at times). Would you expect Westbrook to hand out 10 assists per game? No. Would you expect Westbrook to shoot 10 3pter a game? No. He is a slasher who gets to the FT line. Always will be.

Similarly, can you tell Curry to stop chucking up 3's?

They've got to play their game. As long as it's helping the team as a whole win (and OKC are #1 in the West this year, what more could you ask for?), I don't see a problem with that.
 
I thought you were going to say tatoos.
No but really, the one and done rule in college is going to end up being one of the worst things to happen to the NBA if it does not get fixed soon
 
Hartsock said:
OKC is going to struggle mightily without Westbrook and then all you bitches will be like "Damn, Westbrook is pretty god damned good actually. He isn't screwing OKC after all." He could be a little more pass first, but he is a GREAT PG and is borderline impossible to stop.
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...he is impossible to stop....but he sometimes stops himself! He's as quick as anybody I've ever seen and with the no palming rule, you can back off of him 5 maybe 10 feet.....and he still blows by you to the rim! But he turns the ball over more than he should and needs to be more selective in his shooting. Anyway, forget about the Thunder. They would be toast against the Spurs with or without him! Spurs vs. Heat....Spurs are your next NBA champions...I hope.
 
carolinajazz said:
...he is impossible to stop....but he sometimes stops himself! He's as quick as anybody I've ever seen and with the no palming rule, you can back off of him 5 maybe 10 feet.....and he still blows by you to the rim! But he turns the ball over more than he should and needs to be more selective in his shooting. Anyway, forget about the Thunder. They would be toast against the Spurs with or without him! Spurs vs. Heat....Spurs are your next NBA champions...I hope.
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He's not perfect but he's better than 98% of other PG's in the league. People will see how good Westbrook really is now that he is out.
 
Weezur said:
I thought you were going to say tatoos.
No but really, the one and done rule in college is going to end up being one of the worst things to happen to the NBA if it does not get fixed soon
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One and done, you could argue, is even worse than high schoolers going straight to the NBA.
 
I know not everyone agrees with me. I think the league is broken but just doesn't know or maybe won't admit it yet. What the OP stats is just part of the problem.

When Adam Silver takes over next spring I wonder if he will have the power and to influence to hold the league together. As Jazz fans ought to KNow, often when a powerful, long tenured leader steps down the cracks and weaknesses in the organization can start to show. I wonder if he, Stern, and the Board of Govenours have planned for the league to go on as is, or if they have already worked out plans to make some refreshing changes. I suspect that it will be the former, and that is too bad.


*1 On October 25, 2012, the NBA Board of Governors unanimously selected Silver to succeed David Stern as commissioner following Stern's retirement effective February 1, 2014
 
Hartsock said:
OKC is going to struggle mightily without Westbrook and then all you bitches will be like "Damn, Westbrook is pretty god damned good actually. He isn't screwing OKC after all." He could be a little more pass first, but he is a GREAT PG and is borderline impossible to stop.
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It's true. He can't even stop himself.

I'm not sure how much worse OKC will be, but I'm very confident they'd be better with Harden as oppose to Westbrook.
 
mellow said:
I know not everyone agrees with me. I think the league is broken but just doesn't know or maybe won't admit it yet. What the OP stats is just part of the problem.

When Adam Silver takes over next spring I wonder if he will have the power and to influence to hold the league together. As Jazz fans ought to KNow, often when a powerful, long tenured leader steps down the cracks and weaknesses in the organization can start to show. I wonder if he, Stern, and the Board of Govenours have planned for the league to go on as is, or if they have already worked out plans to make some refreshing changes. I suspect that it will be the former, and that is too bad.


*1 On October 25, 2012, the NBA Board of Governors unanimously selected Silver to succeed David Stern as commissioner following Stern's retirement effective February 1, 2014
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Silver is sharp as a tack, and probably has some ideas of his own on the back burner. I think he will do a better job than Stern who has shown to be stubborn, unprofessional, and a bit of a megalomaniac.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi2kH4U7E8A
 
mellow said:
I I wonder if he, Stern, and the Board of Govenours have planned for the league to go on as is, or if they have already worked out plans to make some refreshing changes.
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....you mean like really enforcing the palming violation, which would increase assists and team ball? Or perhaps just limiting the number of jailhouse tats per square inch of flesh, would also be refreshing, don't ya think???
 
carolinajazz said:
....you mean like really enforcing the palming violation, which would increase assists and team ball? Or perhaps just limiting the number of jailhouse tats per square inch of flesh, would also be refreshing, don't ya think???
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Just curious, what the hell does tattoos have to do with performance of a player? Why would less tats be refreshing? If you are serious about being "refreshed" maybe KOC will share some his metamucil with you. If tattoos make you angry, maybe you should find another sport to watch. HEY!! TENNIS!! Thats exciting and 90% of players don't have tattoos. YAY!! you dont have to complain about stupid things that irritate you anymore!!!
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
Just curious, what the hell does tattoos have to do with performance of a player? Why would less tats be refreshing?
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....well, the NBA has gone to hell and a handbasket for a number of years now! Trying to put a finger on why, I've come to some conclusions! 1) Brain dead players coming into the league after only 1 year in college. 2) Those players coming into the league more interested in showboating and dunking than being fundamentally sound. 3) NBA coaches unable to coach the "uncoachable"! 4) GTD contracts given to most players resulting in a total lack of effort and commitment to the sport. 5) Complete personal lack of dignity and respect for themselves as they spend more time wanting to stand out by covering themselves with "jailhouse" tats or transforming themselves into "Circus Freaks" at a carnival sideshow!
 
carolinajazz said:
.....most sports writers feel that Westbrook, despite no tattoo's, has NOT bought in to the team concept! By the way, looks like he's out for the remainds of the playoffs! Even if he comes back, he's only going to have 1 of his 2 major advantages: he's still going to be able to palm the ball with impunity.....but won't have the speed and quickness he once had before the injury!
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So what the hell does having tattoo's have to do with buying into the team concept?

Can we all just acknowledge that you don't like jailhouse tat's (or tattoos in general), that you are not a fan of black urban culture (or whatever we choose to call it), and that in your dream world, basketball is played by a bunch of white men running the Princeton offense, and just been done with your incessant and annoying almost daily racist or bordering on racist reminders as to this fact?
 
I'm sorry, I don't believe you.

And you still never answered, why does having tattoos have anything to do with buying into a team concept?
 
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