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Babbitt recorded highest max vertical among all frontcourt prospects

"Athleticism" nowadays seems to mean the guy can dribble for 10 seconds and then make a move to the hoop. Jazz system doesn't rely on guys like that. We need players willing to cut to the hoop, pass the ball and hit their shots when they're open - not slow down the offense by trying to back down their opponent or beat him off the dribble.

I could see the Jazz draft Babbitt and then try to get a ready-to-play big with AK's expiring (or in a sign-and-trade for Boozer). Babbitt would give us three very goiod players at the wing. Pretty good rotation at the 2/3 with Matthews, CJ and Babbitt. If that were the case, I'd like to see Miles become the 6th man, backing up Babbitt (say mid 1st/4th quarter) and then sliding over to SG in the 2nd/4th when Matthews sits down. As for Babbitt, he could probably even play against opposing backup PF's if needed.

I would not be surprised or overly disappointed if the Jazz draft him. Of course, I would be expecting another move or two after July 1st to get a PF/C. Who knows...maybe Bosh goes to Miami, LeBron to Chicago and the Knicks sign David Lee and Joe Johnson. Then Carlos' options would be narrowed and he'd have to consider re-signing with the Jazz. Not that I necessarily want that to happen, but Boozer can play a lot of minutes at the 5 until Memo returns.
 
cyclo said:
Luke Babbitt is superior to Gordon Hayward in virtually every aspect of the game: shooting, ball handling, rebounding, driving, face up, post up, transition, 1/2 court, creates own shot, creates for teammates, bball IQ etc. Babbitt also has the superior physical dimensions and athleticism. After watching both players in action, it's easy to see why most NBA people have Babbitt ranked higher.

CLASS
Hayward: sophmore
Babbitt: sophmore

PPG
Hayward: 15.5
Babbitt: 21.9

RPG
Hayward: 8.2
Babbitt: 8.9

APG
Hayward: 1.7
Babbitt: 2.1

FG%
Hayward: 46.4%
Babbitt: 50.0%

FT%
Hayward: 82.9%
Babbitt: 91.7%

3FG%
Hayward: 29.4%
Babbitt: 41.6%

HEIGHT
Hayward: 6-6 3/4 without shoes, 6-8 with shoes
Babbitt: 6-7 1/2 without shoes, 6-8 3/4 with shoes

WEIGHT
Hayward: 211 lbs.
Babbitt: 218 lbs.

WINGSPAN
Hayward: 6-7 3/4
Babbitt: 6-11 1/4

MAX VERTICAL (leaping ability)
Hayward: 34.5 inches
Babbitt: 37.5 inches

BENCH PRESS (strength)
Hayward: 10 reps
Babbitt: 15 reps

AGILITY (lower score is more agile)
Hayward: 11.73
Babbitt: 10.98

There is no question which player is better.
It's Babbitt.
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Which player led their small conference team to the National Championship Game?
 
Archie Moses said:
Which player led their small conference team to the National Championship Game?
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John Wall! No... wait...
Evan Turner! No... wait...
Derek Favors! No... wait...
Demarcus Cousins! No... wait...
Wesley Johnson! No... wait...
Greg Monroe! No... wait...
Xavier Henry! No... wait...

Success in the tourney often means diddly squat.
 
We don't need another small forward on the roster. We have AK and CJ--one is oft injured and the other is still a project. So if they Jazz draft Babbitt (I initially typed "Bobbit") it would need to be part of moving AK/CJ/other fillers to get a true big. It that's the case, then fine, draft Babbitt. I think he will be a hard worker, but one who can actually contribute (unlike the workman, Boom Bitches).

I'll have to admit, he is growing on me. He has some athleticism, can shoot the three, and seems to have the size to be a small forward (CJ isn't long enough). The Jazz system needs a SF that can rebound, shoot from the outside, attack the hoop, and play D. Bryon Russell in his prime did this very well for the Jazz. I haven't seen Babbitt play other than token clips and I think a tourney game or something. How does he defend? I wouldn't expect a rookie to be lockdown defender, none usually are, but does he have the potential to be a decent defender? If the Jazz bring in Babbitt, and he pans out as many expect he will, and they can move AK/whoever for a legit big, the Jazz will be in a good position to compete now and in the in the future.
 
afrojazz said:
We don't need another small forward on the roster. We have AK and CJ--one is oft injured and the other is still a project. So if they Jazz draft Babbitt (I initially typed "Bobbit") it would need to be part of moving AK/CJ/other fillers to get a true big. It that's the case, then fine, draft Babbitt. I think he will be a hard worker, but one who can actually contribute (unlike the workman, Boom Bitches).

I'll have to admit, he is growing on me. He has some athleticism, can shoot the three, and seems to have the size to be a small forward (CJ isn't long enough). The Jazz system needs a SF that can rebound, shoot from the outside, attack the hoop, and play D. Bryon Russell in his prime did this very well for the Jazz. I haven't seen Babbitt play other than token clips and I think a tourney game or something. How does he defend? I wouldn't expect a rookie to be lockdown defender, none usually are, but does he have the potential to be a decent defender? If the Jazz bring in Babbitt, and he pans out as many expect he will, and they can move AK/whoever for a legit big, the Jazz will be in a good position to compete now and in the in the future.
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I tend to learn more towards you on this issue.

The more I've read and watched of Bobbit, the better he appears.

However, it just scares the living crap out of me thinking that we might roll into next season with Krispy Kreme/Boom Bitches at the 5. And Millsap/AK47 (for at least 30 games before he breaks something) at the 4. The only think this Jazz team would be capable of is missing the playoffs and being in the lottery next year. Which, hey, might not be such a bad idea if there's more big men and a better chance of us to score in the lottery. Maybe in the summer of 2011, we'll be able to buy a good big man and draft another. I'm not sure who would be available in the draft or in free agency though...
 
If he's smart with a good head on his shoulders in addition to his athletic ability and skills it sounds like he could contribute. He's white and not a center, I think thats why people may not be quick to jump on his bandwagon.
 
tonstermits said:
If he's smart with a good head on his shoulders in addition to his athletic ability and skills it sounds like he could contribute. He's white and not a center, I think thats why people may not be quick to jump on his bandwagon.
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Unfortunately, draftexpress hasn't updated their scouting report on him. I find them to be pretty accurate with their draft assessments.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
Here's the problem, there was a reason that the draft sites were calling him an average athlete previous to the pre-draft camp measurements. His athleticism doesn't really translate into his game all that well for whatever reason.
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Offensively, I totally disagree. I watched highlights of him and dude plays above the rim. Defensively, who knows.
 
afrojazz said:
We don't need another small forward on the roster. We have AK and CJ--one is oft injured and the other is still a project. So if they Jazz draft Babbitt (I initially typed "Bobbit") it would need to be part of moving AK/CJ/other fillers to get a true big. It that's the case, then fine, draft Babbitt. I think he will be a hard worker, but one who can actually contribute (unlike the workman, Boom Bitches).

I'll have to admit, he is growing on me. He has some athleticism, can shoot the three, and seems to have the size to be a small forward (CJ isn't long enough). The Jazz system needs a SF that can rebound, shoot from the outside, attack the hoop, and play D. Bryon Russell in his prime did this very well for the Jazz. I haven't seen Babbitt play other than token clips and I think a tourney game or something. How does he defend? I wouldn't expect a rookie to be lockdown defender, none usually are, but does he have the potential to be a decent defender? If the Jazz bring in Babbitt, and he pans out as many expect he will, and they can move AK/whoever for a legit big, the Jazz will be in a good position to compete now and in the in the future.
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We will be very weak at SF next year. CJ is more of a SG at 6'6 and isn't much of a player regardless. With AK's added weight (and age), it makes sense to give him about 15 minutes at PF backing up Milsap, and of course there is a good chance he is gone in one more year as well, probably headed back to Russia. But the biggest reason we need Babbitt is shooting. We can't afford to reup Korver unless he gives us a huge hometown discount, and Memo will probably be hobbled with injuries the rest of his career. A team with no shooters will get blown out every night in this league.
 
How anyone could possibly rate T-Rex Mom-Face above Heman, I have no freaking idea.
 
honz said:
You are clueless bro. There's this thing called toughness and intangibles...Hayward has them, Babbitt does not.
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Hayward has an amazing coach and no strength or length. He also has poor shooting percentages for being such supposed great skill player and especially so playing in a conference that was on par or worse than the one Babbitt was in.

I know Butler had a great tournament, but I don't believe that a couple of weeks of good basketball makes a person stronger or longer, or magically makes their percentages better. Hayward looks like a rotation player at best to me. Babbitt might be there too, but his production/efficiency says he's better and his physical measurements say he's in an entire other discussion than Hayward.

We'll see, I guess. But the NCAA is not the NBA. Regardless, drafting either with #9 looks like absolute clown shoes to me.
 
carolinajazz said:
...so this kid can jump high....does he have any basketball brains? Can he pass a drug test?
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Babbitt has the highest basketball IQ of any forward available in this year's draft.

Throw in the above average athleticism, the 6'9" height, the nearly 7'0" wingspan, and the Paul Pierce skill set and you have a significant upgrade at SF for the Jazz.
 
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