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Hayward has agreed to an offer with Hornets

Ellipse said:
Ahh, the old "go root for another team" stick. I'm not going to respond to that because I wish to remain civil. As for slowing down my expectations, I've been a Jazz fan since they moved from New Orleans; I've been waiting for 42 years.
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the jazz doesn't owe you anything
 
Stickler said:
https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/487145008475435010


In light of this news, I will say I think the Jazz are doing the right thing in matching the contract. Hayward isn't "worth" the max, of course, but he's an important part of our future, I think. I do understand why so many soured on Hayward this past season, even if I don't agree. There were few good free agents this offseason, and a lot of teams with a ton of capspace, which is a recipe for people getting overpaid. That's the simple reality.

It's not my money, and the Jazz can afford it. So I don't begrudge the choice. In terms of this contract eventually causing us to have to choose between Kanter, Burks, and/or Burke, that was going to happen no matter what. But here's the good news to keep in mind as we watch Exum turn into a star over the next four years -- he'll likely be making far less than he deserves. So on balance, it's all right with me if Hayward makes more than he deserves.

In four years' time, when Hayward is due for a new contract, it will also be the summer that all these young players from this 2014 draft class will be free agents for the first time. The market for free agents will be vastly different, and Hayward, whether he goes or stays, will be due for a massive paycut. There will be a bunch of young potential stars for teams to sign, and fewer teams with the kind of cap-space that everybody had this year.

So if we're contending again, then, and we still want to keep Hayward, there will be strong potential to do so, this time on the kind of contract he's worth, if not at a steep discount determined by simple market forces.

For everyone who complains about the Kirilenko contract, let's remember that it didn't prevent us from signing Boozer, Okur, or from paying D-Will and Millsap, or from acquiring Korver. For a few years we fielded a hell of a team. I don't actually think that contract cost us opportunities, even if AK was massively overpaid.

The Hayward contract won't cost us opportunities, either. And if it turns out that I'm wrong, there will probably be a two year window in which the contract is perfectly tradeable.

I'm okay with all of this. I'm not happy with the money. But I think the Jazz are a better team with Hayward on the floor.
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There is a trade kicker in the contract so trading it will cost more money and make it more difficult to do so. Secondly, AK contract prevented us from making and more deals to bring another player in after we signed Booz and Memo. We had no flexibility at all. Then the Jazz made another stupid decision by extending Memo when it was clear he was breaking down. Lastly, you are making a huge assumption that Hayward will want to take a pay cut. So we rent Hayward for four year while the team is rebuilding and then he walks because we have to pay him another contract.
 
Technically, DL can still work a separate deal with Charlotte with the agreement not to match. Charlotte gives up assets (whatever they might be), and gets the added benefit of not paying Hayward the higher S&T salaries.

But admittedly that's a very remote possibility.
 
Ellipse said:
Ahh, the old "go root for another team" stick. I'm not going to respond to that because I wish to remain civil. As for slowing down my expectations, I've been a Jazz fan since they moved from New Orleans; I've been waiting for 42 years.
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At least the Jazz have given us the Stockton/Malone teams in which we always made the playoffs and came close a couple of times. Try being a Cubs' fan: cradle to grave losing!
As for me, Utah won a championship when I was just a wee lad, so I have those memories. The ABA was so fun to watch; I wish all of you could have seen that league when it was around: colorful coaches and players, great nicknames, big hair and really bad clothes. I will ALWAYS have a soft spot for Ron Boone. When the Stars folded, I followed Boone and Moses Malone to the NBA. I was actually a bigger fan of those players and the teams they were on than the Jazz for a while. Also had some affinity for many of the teams and other players that came over in the ABA/NBA merger. Took me a few years to warm up to the Jazz.
 
Jazz will spend the time till the end to inform Hornets about the match offer.

This is so softcore.

I cannot believe someone of the Jazz franchise still haven't try to assassinate Michael Jordan yet.
 
It's not just Jordan, Portland likes to abuse the Jazz.

And now the two are together, sticking it to the Jazz.

Rick Bonnell @rick_bonnell about 33 minutes ago
Hornets make it official that Chad Buchanan has been hired as assistant general manager. Buchanan left Trail Blazers for this.
 
mellow said:
It's not just Jordan, Portland likes to abuse the Jazz.

And now the two are together, sticking it to the Jazz.

Rick Bonnell @rick_bonnell about 33 minutes ago
Hornets make it official that Chad Buchanan has been hired as assistant general manager. Buchanan left Trail Blazers for this.
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It's an official sport up in Portland. I think it dates back to the days when Paul Allen had to compete against WordPerfect. Microsoft eventually won out, but Allen despises the state and everyone in it. And for the longest time, a lot of legal docs were STILL done using WordPerfect. It's like forcing a Coke executive to sit down and drink a Pepsi in an important meeting.
 
My biggest concern with signing Hayward is the vision of the organization. I’ve yet to hear an explanation that calms my doubts. Let’s throw the facts out there:

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Last season was one of the worst seasons EVER as a jazz fan. The team was atrocious and unbearable to watch. No one was consistently performing throughout the year. How does signing a member of said team to a max deal help us going forward in our goal of contending for the title? I will use the AK47 reference as an example. The Jazz went from pretenders to contenders in the span of 2 years. TWO YEARS! In the 2004-2005 season, AK47 had a year of inflated stats as the versatile, #1 point forward option (Boozer was hurt that year and didn’t play), leading the jazz to a 26-56 record. What did the jazz do as a reward for one of the worst records in the NBA? They gave AK the max. (Any of this sound familiar??) The jazz draft a top prospect in D Will the following year (Just like we drafted Exum this year), and in the 2nd year of AK’s MAX contract, the Jazz were title contenders. It happened THAT fast. No one thought the jazz would be contenders that soon. And EVERYONE thought that AK would be leading the team following his max deal. NO ONE predicted his production to drop that fast, naturally turning into the #4 option on the team. During the following years, the jazz were always hamstringed by AK’s contract and didn’t have flexibility to acquire necessary pieces to get over the hump. Who is to say that in two years the jazz aren’t title contenders? Who is to say that G Time doesn’t organically become the team’s 3rd or 4th option again? The jazz aren’t winning a title with Gordon as a #1 option, so why match? Why is letting him go and waiting a bad idea? If we let AK go that year, it wouldn’t have hurt us… Shouldn’t we be doing everything to help us win a title? Can someone help me feel better about my concern?
 
Has Gordo signed the offer sheet yet? I heard Parsons did but haven't seen anything on GH making if offish.
 
billyshelby said:
Technically, DL can still work a separate deal with Charlotte with the agreement not to match. Charlotte gives up assets (whatever they might be), and gets the added benefit of not paying Hayward the higher S&T salaries.

But admittedly that's a very remote possibility.
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Can't do this any more. See Larry Coon FAQ #44, near the bottom of the section. Paragraph starts "There can be no compensation..."
 
cowhide said:
AK contract prevented us from making and more deals to bring another player in after we signed Booz and Memo. We had no flexibility at all.

Lastly, you are making a huge assumption that Hayward will want to take a pay cut. So we rent Hayward for four year while the team is rebuilding and then he walks because we have to pay him another contract.
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Which player was available, who wanted to come to Utah, that the Kirilenko contract prevented us from getting?

I'm not making any assumptions about Hayward wanting to take a paycut. If you read my post, you'll see that I was projecting what the market will be like for Hayward in four years. That's what is going to determine his next contract.
 
What the agent said....
Hawyard's agent -"There’s never been any bad blood with the Jazz, and there have always been good-faith negotiations," from @Aaron Falk

What some Jazzfanz heard...
Hawyard's agent -"There’s never been any good-faith negotiations with the Jazz, and there has always been bad blood" from @Aaron Falk


What the agent really meant...
Dude, would you rather have 6% of 11 million per or 6% of 15 million per? Me too.
 
Stickler said:
Hayward, whether he goes or stays, will be due for a massive paycut.
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Good post except for the part i quoted.

Hayward will actually be due for a pay raise and will probably get overpaid again by us or someone else
 
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