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    And if he hadn't played, the same folks blaming the coach FOR playing him would be blasting him for NOT playing him.

    sigh

    I remember the same was said about Sloan after Memo tore his Achilles. Many blasted Sloan. At what point are doctors going to be held accountable?

    If someone is cleared to play, then why wouldn't the coach play him? Coaches coach. Doctors diagnose and treat these problems.

    If Rose wasn't healthy enough to play, then the doctors screwed up and need to be held accountable.

    If he was healthy enough to play, then maybe we should just shrug our shoulders, say, "That Sucks", and understand that injuries are a part of sports?
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    cyrone, cj, thriller, numerica, gameface, you are all freaking idiots...

    Rose should not have been playing over 35 minutes his first game back , in a game that was already won, in the first round of the playoffs that the Bulls could win without him on the court,'

    I did not say to play him zero minutes, just not break him his first day back, let him build up strength and get back into game form, in anticipation of later rounds.

    Anyone with a brain could see this , it is not armchair quarterbacking.
    Coaching does effect whether players are injured a lot or not, and this is a perfect example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archie Moses View Post
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    Wait, did someone just say Rose is overrated? Did you watch him last year at all? Do you know how long he's only been in the league for?
    Did you see him in the playoffs? Volume shooting PG who shot below 40% from the field, 25% from deep (on 6 attempts per game), and barely had a 2:1 assist/turnover ratio. Now that he is getting hit with serious injuries, his athletic ability will diminish and so will his game.

    His team also seemed to do fine without him this year.
    Shovel your way out of the s***

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    Quote Originally Posted by northeast View Post
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    cyrone, cj, thriller, numerica, gameface, you are all freaking idiots...

    ...I resent that remark! However, had I been the coach, Rose would not have been in the game with a 12 point lead and 60 seconds to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by northeast View Post
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    cyrone, cj, thriller, numerica, gameface, you are all freaking idiots...

    Rose should not have been playing over 35 minutes his first game back , in a game that was already won, in the first round of the playoffs that the Bulls could win without him on the court,'

    I did not say to play him zero minutes, just not break him his first day back, let him build up strength and get back into game form, in anticipation of later rounds.

    Anyone with a brain could see this , it is not armchair quarterbacking.
    Coaching does effect whether players are injured a lot or not, and this is a perfect example.

    So what happens a few games down the line? His knee was going to go sooner or later. It went sooner.

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    Lost among your stunningly insightful and almost clairvoyant appraisal of this situation is that Rose could've said "I don't think I should go in". Or the doctors could have not cleared him medically. Or that if the Bulls lose the game that suddenly Thibodeau made the wrong opposite decision. Or that Rose doesn't HAVE to play like he's on a trampoline at all times and could learn to tone it down and actually play his position.

    How about this idea: **** happens.
    "Adversity is opportunity in disguise."

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUMBERICA View Post
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    Or that Rose doesn't HAVE to play like he's on a trampoline at all times and could learn to tone it down and actually play his position.
    ...excellent point!....and one that needed to be stated!!! I'm all for giving 100%. However, you can pace yourself, especially when the outcome has already been determined. No need to play with "reckless abandon" on every play! You can play and give 100% while still using your head! You have to "protect" yourself so that you can play another day and another game! Many of these athletes do not seem to recognize this fact! I do not or would not dive into a brick wall to save an errant pass! The brick wall wins every time! Even if you happen to save the ball and not get hurt.....the chances of a successful basket on any given possession is less than 50%!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUMBERICA View Post
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    Lost among your stunningly insightful and almost clairvoyant appraisal of this situation is that Rose could've said "I don't think I should go in". Or the doctors could have not cleared him medically. Or that if the Bulls lose the game that suddenly Thibodeau made the wrong opposite decision. Or that Rose doesn't HAVE to play like he's on a trampoline at all times and could learn to tone it down and actually play his position.

    How about this idea: **** happens.
    4 stunningly dimwitted and delusional statements by dumberica.
    Rose is not the coach.
    The Doctors are not the coach.
    Rose was fine to play, but his minutes and role should have been managed by the coach, the one who is responsible for what happens.
    He should have been off the floor when they were up by 20, not having Rose push it to the limits on his first game back.
    It was a monumentally bad decision, the worst decision by any coach in the entire year.

    Of course you ignored what I said. Your sense of strategy falls short of an intelligent 6 year old.
    This was the first game of the playoffs. The Bulls would have won the first round without Rose playing at all.
    Playing him was a matter of getting back in game shape for the later rounds. Total Fail.
    Last edited by northeast; 05-01-2012 at 03:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameface View Post
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    So what happens a few games down the line? His knee was going to go sooner or later. It went sooner.
    A few games down the line, he is getting his strength and game timing back, and his muscles back in balance.
    He should have had his minutes carefully managed until the conference finals.
    He should have been told to play within the the offense, and not try to take over at first.

    If that was done, he probably would have been at full strength in the later rounds.
    Chicago would have had an excellent chance at a title.
    They still have a shot, but their odds would be much better with Rose.
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    Compare this with how the Spurs manage their player minutes.

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