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    Quote Originally Posted by CONAN View Post
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    Whatever, Dude. I blasted your .500 argument totally out of the water and so you switched to something about bowl games.
    You have to be .500 to make a bowl game, so it was the same argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CONAN View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzman12 View Post
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    This debate is getting bogged down in semantics. The bottom line is still this: When Utah finally has Pac 12 quality QB's, and Pac 12 talent and depth at all the O line spots, they will compete at a quality level. Until that day comes, they will struggle.
    It seems you are assuming that they will just automatically end up having pac 12 quality qb's and depth on the o-line and when that happens they will automatically compete at a quality level.

    How low has washington state been in the pac 12? They should have pac 12 quality players by now and therefore should be competing at a quality level.

    There is a possibility that utah will be at the bottom of the pac 12 for many years to come (not that i think that will be the case, but it is a possibility).

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLI baby View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronco70 View Post
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    A quality O line will open holes for the backs and provide QB protection. You have to do both.

    Utah's O line is adequate for the former (plus, White is really good at exploiting even small gaps), but they seem to struggle with the latter. A top tier QB can help compensate, but that's the catch - you have to have a top tier QB.
    I totally agree. Where I disagree, is when someone says our o line is lacking talent so bad that it justifies a losing record.

    If we have one of the leading running backs in the conference, or o line is good enough to finish .500 or better. I agree the o line is not the greatest, but it's still not horrible. It's decent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzman12 View Post
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    This debate is getting bogged down in semantics. The bottom line is still this: When Utah finally has Pac 12 quality QB's, and Pac 12 talent and depth at all the O line spots, they will compete at a quality level. Until that day comes, they will struggle.
    Obviously anyone can win if they have enough talent. My argument is that we had enough talent for a .500 (or better) team this year. If Whit was good enough to be above criticism, he would have taken this team to a bowl game.

    If, for example, we had Boise State's coaching staff, I have no doubt this team goes to a bowl game this year.

    Besides, after 2.5 recruiting classes, we still lack talent? When do we start holding coaches accountable for not recruiting the talent we need?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaltyDawg View Post
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    You have to be .500 to make a bowl game, so it was the same argument.
    So why move away from that then? Just trying to keep things fresh I guess. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLI baby View Post
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    It looks like everyone is at least coming around to acknowledging the lack of Pac12 talent on for the Utes. Now to figure out why that is. Most of that is on the coaches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatchipper View Post
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    /thread.

    Start the Utah 2013 thread now.
    This.

    Good hell, Salty. Give it a rest. You're never going to convince someone of something when their whole reason for being in the thread in the first place is just to tweak you and piss you off. Don't feed the trolls.

    And for the jealous BYU troll brigade... Poop on you.

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