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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM View Post
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    Yes. It does. I would hire another 20 people, right now, if all I had was the salary. The matching funds/FICA, worker's comp, health .. it just makes employees way too expensive. I know that probably sounds harsh, but it's simply an economic reality.
    If it weren't for the matching funds/FICA, etc. you'd probably have to put most of that cost into the employee's wages anyhow. I wouldn't work for 150% of my current salary if I had to pay for all of that (say, as an independent contractor).
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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM View Post
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    I agree with this. I like to do more rather than less .. but as costs continue to rise there are fewer we can care for.
    Back to where we started.

    We aren't stuck with these costs, these services, or these conceptions of care giving. In the end, this comes down to what we think medicine should do (preventive, etc.) and supporting those things collectively. Call that govt...or don't.
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    Wait...employers have a "responsibility" to provide health care to their employees? Says who?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameface View Post
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    It's getting harder and harder to take you seriously as you go on.
    I'm pretty confident that I'm being clear. Debating the true costs of production is important to both human health and environmental health. If you don't think so, then....
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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM View Post
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    There just doesn't seem to be many cost controls in the healthcare industry (that was too broad of stroke, but humor me) and it's a self-perpetuating problem that has the average American with burden of the result.
    Health insurance companies negotiate fiercely to keep costs down. They negotiate (or dictate with smaller organizations) which treatments they will fund for which diagnoses. They negotiate which treatment plans will be suggested. They negotiate medicine recommendaitons with pharmacies. If yo ucan offer a family plan to an employer for $200 less per month, on the same coverage, you can make a lot of money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Brow View Post
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    If it weren't for the matching funds/FICA, etc. you'd probably have to put most of that cost into the employee's wages anyhow. I wouldn't work for 150% of my current salary if I had to pay for all of that (say, as an independent contractor).
    Agreed -- shift these costs to the employee and you're right back where you started. I believe there IS something, however, to making these costs more transparent and tangible to the end user -- people would have probably been a lot pissier a lot sooner about the cost of healthcare were it not for employers shouldering the majority of the cost burden.
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    Are we really innovating more than everyone else? I know it's common for people to say this, but then I see Kobe and other sports stars going to South Korea and other nations to get career extending surgeries and treatments that aren't available in the USA.

    Plus our heart disease, cancer, and other numbers don't compare favorably with many other western nations.
    I think we spend somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of the world's budgeted medical research supply. Our health measures are poorer in amny ways because of our diet and excessive work hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DutchJazzer View Post
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    now tell me why do people gotta pay healt insurance for people who smoke, people who eat unhealthy and people who are morbidly obese.
    why should i pay for their bad habbits?
    will they pay for sins? will they pay for my visits to the red light district.

    mandatory health insurance is communism and a bad thing.

    why the **** do i have to pay for a smokers cancer treatment.

    there is a reason why my father never married a smoker. and i will not marry one. to minimize the pain of cancer and to minimize the risk of getting hospital bills.


    screw communicstic socialistic health insurance.

    this does not make sense.

    i train reguraly, i have a healthy lifestyle, i dont smoke, i dont drink exsesivly, i eat kosher.

    i visited the doctor twice in 8 years for minor ****(once was to get a deceleration of health. the other was some small thingy) with a total cost of about 80 euros.
    yet i gotta pay monthly 130 euros for health insurance. so i paid almost 10.000 euros to cover the health cost of irresponsible people. **** Them!
    because people live irresponsible and drive up the cost of health insurance...

    in morgan freeman's voice:
    this is wrong
    You actually don't have to pay for any more to help those that smoke, eat poorly, and don't exercise.

    As it said in the original post, Obamacare will cost $1.7 trillion to start out but the cost will be paid for by new taxes on people making more than $200k per year (a tax increase of 0.9% annually), insurers, pharmaceutical companies, and tanning salons. Then, because Obamacare puts such a premium on preventative care, it is estimated that $109 billion will be saved annually from the deficit because fewer people will be treated for serious illness. By the year 2021, Obamacare should pay for itself.

    Hope this helps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Brow View Post
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    I think we spend somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of the world's budgeted medical research supply. Our health measures are poorer in amny ways because of our diet and excessive work hours.
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    I'm predicting this thread will die down soon and have a hard time getting enough posts to push it past page 5.
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