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    Quote Originally Posted by One Brow View Post
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    It's not quite that cut-and-dried. Catching a runny nose early can prevent serious consequences in that (under 1%) of the time that worse things happen. One of the biggest drains on our medical system is preventable conditions only being treated in the emergency room, after they have become serious.
    I understand the point, but have doubts that the emergency room treatments are a bigger drain than the excess doc visits. Better safe than sorry, I suppose, but really common sense should rule the day. Most docs are just going to send you home anyhow and have you call back when some real condition exists (fever over 104, difficulty breathing, death, erection over 4 hours, etc.).

    I guess the point is -- for better or for worse -- I assume that Americans are much more accustomed to visiting the doctor more often, getting x-rays and tests more often, etc. than some of our first-world counterparts. We can't bring costs down to French levels unless we behave like the French (which would put the American deodorant industry under stress -- perhaps a separate topic).
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    Quote Originally Posted by DutchJazzer View Post
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    i was talking more in general/mysituation.

    here in the netherlands healthcare has been up for a gazillion years.
    healthcare insurance is mandatory.
    with absurdd prices.(130 euros a month)
    and will likely go up next year.
    I have a problem with this mandatory thing.
    Oh I see and I totally agree with you. There are a couple things that really do not like about Obamacare. For one, the Catholic Church administers 1/5th of all medical care in the United States and they have a very strong position against abortion. Under Obamacare, they will be forced to administer contraception, sterilization, and abortifacients to its patients and employees. This is a violation of the first amendment and a waiver must be implemented for religious institutions in these types of situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by larryselbows View Post
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    Under Obamacare, they will be forced to administer contraception, sterilization, and abortifacients to its patients and employees. This is a violation of the first amendment and a waiver must be implemented for religious institutions in these types of situations.
    So, if I go to a Catholic hospital, I have to receive substandard care because of their beliefs? If your doctor is a JW, should he be free to refuse to prescribe a blood transfusion for you?
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    I'm pretty confident that I'm being clear. Debating the true costs of production is important to both human health and environmental health. If you don't think so, then....
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Brow View Post
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    So, if I go to a Catholic hospital, I have to receive substandard care because of their beliefs? If your doctor is a JW, should he be free to refuse to prescribe a blood transfusion for you?
    Are you concerned that your birth control will run out soon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Brow View Post
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    So, if I go to a Catholic hospital, I have to receive substandard care because of their beliefs?
    Yes.
    ^^^this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scat View Post
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    Are you concerned that your birth control will run out soon?
    the funnyt thing is over here they stopped giving birth control(the pill) few years back.
    because it was either that or increase the money.
    this health insurance sucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by DutchJazzer View Post
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    the funnyt thing is over here they stopped giving birth control(the pill) few years back.
    because it was either that or increase the money.
    this health insurance sucks
    "the pill" is super cheap. Like cheaper than ibuprofen and several orders of magnitude cheaper than pregnancy and child birth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameface View Post
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    "the pill" is super cheap. Like cheaper than ibuprofen and several orders of magnitude cheaper than pregnancy and child birth.
    $11 a month which begs the question, why did Obama mandate that insurance companies not only cover BC but cover it free of charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scat View Post
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    $11 a month which begs the question, why did Obama mandate that insurance companies not only cover BC but cover it free of charge.
    So republicans would stop bitching about welfare queens popping out kids that everyone else has to support?

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