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    Quote Originally Posted by Scat View Post
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    Darden Restaurants (Red Lobster, Olive Garden) has already said that they will take steps to reduce employee overhead to avoid Obamacare penalties. Now White Castle, Papa John's and Applebee's are taking similar steps.
    We'll see a lot of it. This is not an issue of spite, it's economics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM View Post
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    We'll see a lot of it. This is not an issue of spite, it's economics.
    How does it affect businesses and their hiring practices? I'm not trying to be antagonistic, it's an honest question - I'm trying to understand why some businesses are laying people off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by larryselbows View Post
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    How does it affect businesses and their hiring practices? I'm not trying to be antagonistic, it's an honest question - I'm trying to understand why some businesses are laying people off.
    I know in the case of Darden, they currently offer all of their employees mini plans. That is, they offer insurance that covers minor issues. Doctors visits, flu shots, prescriptions... most of the day to day stuff that a majority of people deal with on a regular basis. Under Obamacare, these mini plans do not count, and as such, Darden is now faced with giving all of their employees full coverage which will be hundreds of millions of dollars to insure all of their employees. The way around this is to make all of your employees part time. Darden is going to drop all of their employees to part time status and limit them to 28 hours a week. So now, not only do the employees lose their basic insurance, they lose money due to reduced hours.

    McDonald's has a very similar plan and is trying gain exempt status from Obamacare.

    Another option that I am hearing about is an employer will hire you on as an independent contractor. As such, you do not work for the company, they are just paying you to do a specific job as a contractor. This absolves them of all benefits and it is up to the contractor to take care of themselves including health care and all taxes.

    Businesses will find a way around such an onerous tax as Obamacare and in many cases to the detriment of the very people that Obama thought he was helping. Businesses are in business to make money, not to provide employees with health insurance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scat View Post
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    I know in the case of Darden, they currently offer all of their employees mini plans. That is, they offer insurance that covers minor issues. Doctors visits, flu shots, prescriptions... most of the day to day stuff that a majority of people deal with on a regular basis. Under Obamacare, these mini plans do not count, and as such, Darden is now faced with giving all of their employees full coverage which will be hundreds of millions of dollars to insure all of their employees. The way around this is to make all of your employees part time. Darden is going to drop all of their employees to part time status and limit them to 28 hours a week. So now, not only do the employees lose their basic insurance, they lose money due to reduced hours.
    This isn't completely true, only companies that have greater than 50 full time employees must give full coverage to each of their full-time employees - it doesn't apply to all businesses, particularly small businesses. The PPACA is unconcerned with the part-time or full-time status of workers when deciding if a company must give affordable health insurance options to their full-time employees. Rather, it counts the total amount of hours that a company must complete to continue operations. If these hours are equal to or more than the amount of work that would require 50 full-time workers to complete, then the healthcare requirement kicks in for full-time employees, regardless of if a company has 50 full time employees or 100 part-time employees doing the same amount of work. (Citation: https://housedocs.house.gov/energyco...n.pdf#page=174)

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    McDonald's has a very similar plan and is trying gain exempt status from Obamacare.

    Another option that I am hearing about is an employer will hire you on as an independent contractor. As such, you do not work for the company, they are just paying you to do a specific job as a contractor. This absolves them of all benefits and it is up to the contractor to take care of themselves including health care and all taxes.

    Businesses will find a way around such an onerous tax as Obamacare and in many cases to the detriment of the very people that Obama thought he was helping. Businesses are in business to make money, not to provide employees with health insurance.
    You may be right on this and it sounds sensible to me from a business standpoint.

    Edit: I realize that I should have been more sympathetic to those that work for large companies and may be affected by the healthcare plan and that you make a good point, Scat, in those instances.
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    I live in the Philippines and am retired, so how does this new law effect me? Can I sign up and come to the states if I get a serious health issue, or am I exempt from the program?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DutchJazzer View Post
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    I live in europe and i'd rather not have mandatory healthcare
    You are one of the few Euros I've met here that would rather have our old system than your current one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolution 9 View Post
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    You are one of the few Euros I've met here that would rather have our old system than your current one.
    Sounds like a smart guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolution 9 View Post
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    You are one of the few Euros I've met here that would rather have our old system than your current one.
    cus i'm not european.
    i'm throwing money in a bottomless pit
    and irresponsible drinkers smoekrs and obese fat ****s go to hosptial and i pay for their care.
    and every godd dammed year the increase the amount i got to pay.

    in univrsity i had this dorm made who drank his liver to **** he got hospitalized 7 times, and I have to pay for that crap.

    while someone who decide to live healthy and lost a lot of weight. now has skin hanging and insurance wont pay for a skin tuck.

    so you smoke drink eat a lot of **** if you get cancer diabetes liver condition hospital pays.
    but you deice to live healthy and need a skin tuck they say screw you.

    i live healthy gave 10.000 euros and get no reward for being in excelent phsyicial condition
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    Quote Originally Posted by DutchJazzer View Post
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    cus i'm not european.
    i'm throwing money in a bottomless pit
    and irresponsible drinkers smoekrs and obese fat ****s go to hosptial and i pay for their care.
    and every godd dammed year the increase the amount i got to pay.

    in univrsity i had this dorm made who drank his liver to **** he got hospitalized 7 times, and I have to pay for that crap.

    while someone who decide to live healthy and lost a lot of weight. now has skin hanging and insurance wont pay for a skin tuck.

    so you smoke drink eat a lot of **** if you get cancer diabetes liver condition hospital pays.
    but you deice to live healthy and need a skin tuck they say screw you.

    i live healthy gave 10.000 euros and get no reward for being in excelent phsyicial condition
    Who pays for the people that show up to the ER with no insurance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolution 9 View Post
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    Who pays for the people that show up to the ER with no insurance?
    The same ones paying for Medicaid.
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