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    Quote Originally Posted by larryselbows View Post
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    I fully understand what "utilitarian" means. I just think that you and I disagree - and that's okay.
    I don't mind disagreement. However, I would like ot see your answer, or the answer of anyone else worried about the doctor's/hospital's religious freedom, to answer my question about whether their right to practice religion should be allowed to supersede the right of the patient to receive optimal care, according to the practices of the medical profession.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Brow View Post
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    I don't mind disagreement. However, I would like ot see your answer, or the answer of anyone else worried about the doctor's/hospital's religious freedom, to answer my question about whether their right to practice religion should be allowed to supersede the right of the patient to receive optimal care, according to the practices of the medical profession.
    Look, if an auto mechanic doesn't want to do a front-end alignment I don't see how a customer has any right to force them to do a front-end alignment, even if that's what their car needs. The customer is free to find a new mechanic.

    If a doctor has a personal objection to performing a specific procedure or providing a certain type of care they shouldn't be forced to perform it because they are a doctor. Same for the owner of a hospital.

    How can you argue that a person should be forced to act against their will, especially when they have a moral objection to the action?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameface View Post
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    Look, if an auto mechanic doesn't want to do a front-end alignment I don't see how a customer has any right to force them to do a front-end alignment, even if that's what their car needs. The customer is free to find a new mechanic.

    If a doctor has a personal objection to performing a specific procedure or providing a certain type of care they shouldn't be forced to perform it because they are a doctor. Same for the owner of a hospital.

    How can you argue that a person should be forced to act against their will, especially when they have a moral objection to the action?
    Being a Dr. and a mehanic are not similar. Sometimes people dont have time to dick around looking for a dr with the right religion. If it is in the best interest of the patient it should be done regardless of religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameface View Post
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    Look, if an auto mechanic doesn't want to do a front-end alignment I don't see how a customer has any right to force them to do a front-end alignment, even if that's what their car needs. The customer is free to find a new mechanic.

    If a doctor has a personal objection to performing a specific procedure or providing a certain type of care they shouldn't be forced to perform it because they are a doctor. Same for the owner of a hospital.

    How can you argue that a person should be forced to act against their will, especially when they have a moral objection to the action?
    What if the person just got hit by a bus, is unconscious, rushed to the hospital in an effort to save their life, and the only hospital around is some religious hospital that doesn't believe in current medical technology?

    In just about every skilled profession there are standards that have to be met in order to get licensed. I have no problem holding doctors to standards.

    If being a doctor conflicts with someone's religious belief, then they shouldn't become a doctor.

    What's next, soldiers who don't have to kill anyone because it's against their religion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaltyDawg View Post
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    What if the person just got hit by a bus, is unconscious, rushed to the hospital in an effort to save their life, and the only hospital around is some religious hospital that doesn't believe in current medical technology?
    Do you think birth control pills would help in this situation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scat View Post
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    Do you think birth control pills would help in this situation?
    No. But I think surgery and blood transfusions (which some religions are against) would definitely help.

    I think birth control helps in other situations though, as the chick from Georgetown testified while Rush called her a slut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaltyDawg View Post
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    No. But I think surgery and blood transfusions (which some religions are against) would definitely help.

    I think birth control helps in other situations though, as the chick from Georgetown testified while Rush called her a slut.
    In Rush's defense she was probably way slutty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaltyDawg View Post
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    No. But I think surgery and blood transfusions (which some religions are against) would definitely help.

    I think birth control helps in other situations though, as the chick from Georgetown testified while Rush called her a slut.
    Are there any hospitals that are owned by a religion that doesn't believe in transfusions or surgery?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scat View Post
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    Are there any hospitals that are owned by a religion that doesn't believe in transfusions or surgery?
    I don't know. But the girl who Rush called a slut testified about Georgetown not giving birth control to women with cervical cancer who needed it to live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameface View Post
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    Look, if an auto mechanic doesn't want to do a front-end alignment I don't see how a customer has any right to force them to do a front-end alignment, even if that's what their car needs. The customer is free to find a new mechanic.
    Of course. Because the state of mind of a person being told they have a tumor is just like the one where the person is told they need a front-end alighment. Because the consequences of not having a tumor treated are just like not having your car's front end aligned. Because the amount of training required to properly evaluate a doctor's advice is almost the same as the amount of training required to properly evaluate the alignment of your car's tires. Because the degree of trust and acceptance in a doctor-patient relationship has the same level of trust and deference as the mechanic-car owner relationship.

    I congratulate you on such a sterling analogy. How can I possibly argue against something like that.

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    If a doctor has a personal objection to performing a specific procedure or providing a certain type of care they shouldn't be forced to perform it because they are a doctor. Same for the owner of a hospital.

    How can you argue that a person should be forced to act against their will, especially when they have a moral objection to the action?
    I have not once in this thread argued that a person should be expected to act against their will or religious belief. My argument has consistently been that if you are not willing to practice medicine according the the standards of the medical profession, you have the responsibility to not be a doctor in the first place.

    Also, I see you're not answering my question. If your doctor converts to being a JW, and you come in with a condition that requires a trnsfusion, should the doctor be allowed to refuse to order one for you?
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