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    Agree..Ty must go...please make it soon..although we all KNOW it wont happen

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    What do people expect?? It's clear why Corbin favors playing jurneyman vets; that who he was, so he gives them every break he never got. It doesn't matter who we trade or let walk, because the GM will just bring some "new" vet to replace him, and Corbin will immediately move that vet ahead of the young guys in the rotation.

    Trading Millsap or Jefferson isn't the answer, giving Kanter and Favors 30 mpg is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipse View Post
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    It doesn't matter who we trade or let walk, because the GM will just bring some "new" vet to replace him, and Corbin will immediately move that vet ahead of the young guys in the rotation.
    But that "Vet" won't be in the same position as Favors or Kanter. Remember the Jazz are loaded with bigs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipse View Post
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    What do people expect?? It's clear why Corbin favors playing jurneyman vets; that who he was, so he gives them every break he never got. It doesn't matter who we trade or let walk, because the GM will just bring some "new" vet to replace him, and Corbin will immediately move that vet ahead of the young guys in the rotation.

    Trading Millsap or Jefferson isn't the answer, giving Kanter and Favors 30 mpg is.
    we expect a coaching staff competent enough to use a roster full of talent. And to not get blown out by similar teams and lose to inferior teams. It's blatantly obvious that Jefferson and Millsap on the floor together is a terrible front line. Yet we are seeing it for the 2nd straight year. When we have better lineups and options.
    Playoffs here we come. Pass the damn Kool-Aid

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregbroncs View Post
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    It's blatantly obvious that Jefferson and Millsap on the floor together is a terrible front line. Yet we are seeing it for the 2nd straight year. When we have better lineups and options.
    The Jazz outscored opponents by about 4.5 points per 48 minutes with Al and Millsap on the court together last season. On the year, the Jazz outscored opponents by only 0.12 points per 48 minutes. They were actually a pretty effective duo last season fwiw.
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    The Jazz outscored opponents by about 4.5 points per 48 minutes with Al and Millsap on the court together last season. On the year, the Jazz outscored opponents by only 0.12 points per 48 minutes. They were actually a pretty effective duo last season fwiw.
    --They didn't suck as bad last year!
    --Al Jefferson is shooting 40%, is even worse than I remember at P&R defense, and was abused by Kosta Koufos.
    --Millsap is shooting 43%, is playing like he's been in a mental ward for six months, and was abused by Kenneth Faried.
    --Our defense is horrendous with these two in together, this year.
    --We are not winning, this year!!!

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    --They didn't suck as bad last year!
    --Al Jefferson is shooting 40%, is even worse than I remember at P&R defense, and was abused by Kosta Koufos.
    --Millsap is shooting 43%, is playing like he's been in a mental ward for six months, and was abused by Kenneth Faried.
    --Our defense is horrendous with these two in together, this year.
    --We are not winning, this year!!!
    6 games. I've been on the trade Jeffy bandwagon for a LONG time. I just feel that these terrible contrary-to-fact arguments weaken my position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GVC View Post
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    6 games. I've been on the trade Jeffy bandwagon for a LONG time. I just feel that these terrible contrary-to-fact arguments weaken my position.
    Hey if he can't get it together in 6 games he should be canned.

    - Mitch Kupcek & Kobe Bryant.
    Life is like watching Fast and the Furious 6. It's not easy, most of the time it's just dumb and pointless, everything is fake, there is a lot of noise, but if you close your eyes and picture yourself in an open field or a quiet forest, you can maybe make it to the end without killing yourself.

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    I've basically come to the conclusion that Ty's problem is he's good at concepts, not X's and O's. Speed up the tempo? Great, but not when a lot of guys take undisciplined 3's instead of funneling to the rim. Streamline the flex cuts to initiate offense quicker? Great, but not when those cuts are executed so listlessly that they never produce a shot or anything other than an entry pass. This team has talent, but it can't execute anything.

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    Biggest, most glaring issue by far is the offense. It really doesn't matter what unit is in there and it really doesn't matter what players are sucking. Every lineup has no idea what they're going to do to score once those first cuts are made.

    What I don't get is the development should have been simple: Keep going into the post early in the clock, but have cutters going to the hoop, designed outlets, and increase passing opportunities. When you PnR, it's the same. You play 2 on 2, but the 3 other guys have specific rotations they make either cutting or on the arc.

    Teams like the Spurs don't move the ball so well because everybody's "unselfish" or a good passer. It's because everybody always knows where everybody is going to be.

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