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    Quote Originally Posted by NUMBERICA View Post
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    You can't sign a contract then do a trade. The trade is part of the contract, otherwise, newly signed free agents cannot be traded until December 15th of their first year (IIRC).
    You seriously don't remember all the interviews he was doing with Miami and Chicago radio stations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickledXgrandma View Post
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    You seriously don't remember all the interviews he was doing with Miami and Chicago radio stations?
    Pure conjecture. I don't recall him saying "Yeah, I want to get out of here."
    "Adversity is opportunity in disguise."

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    Quote Originally Posted by infection View Post
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    I don't know what you're getting at but I'm talking about a sign and trade.
    Yes. The trade is part of the contract in a sign-and-trade. Otherwise, newly signed free agents cannot be traded until after December 15th of their first year (IIRC).
    "Adversity is opportunity in disguise."

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickledXgrandma View Post
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    You seriously don't remember all the interviews he was doing with Miami and Chicago radio stations?
    The Jazz FO straight up told him he wasn't part of their future plans IIRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpjazz View Post
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    I know it is only a few games in, BUT it is obvious to me that the time is NOW to dump both Al and Sap for whatever we can get for them. Move forward with the new guys, get them minutes and see what it brings us. We KNOW what we are going to get with Sap and Al. We are going to get what we have right now, a losing record. We can get a losing record with Kanter and Favors starting and I have no doubt within a few weeks, if that long, with starters minutes we will see huge steps in both of them. This is stupid for Ty to keep using the same formula that is proven to not work. On that note, while I wanted to give him time as a coach, Ty doesnt seem to show some of the basics of good coachng. Things that you should be able to do when you start. You dont have to learn over time that a lineup isnt working, or that one player is ALWAYS going to give you the same results. It should be obvious. He seems to have Sloan type attitudes with out Sloan type results even. No excuses, IMO, Ty needs to go...soon. Seems harsh, and Im usually a company man, but the guy shows me NOTHING at all that makes me believe he will ever get better...I do like the pickups of the Williams' and Foye, that is about it so far this year that makes me upbeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by underKANTER View Post
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    6. Ma Williams is just terrible. A guy with his size and athleticizm should play more aggressive and attack the basket more. Is really one dimensional: just taking outside shots. Doesn't deserve to start at all. An other big disappointment so far. When he can't hit his shots, he is useless. Plays decent defense.

    11. Since we won't make the playoffs this year, we have nothing to lose. We should use this year to develop our young core and give them more consistent minutes. The combination of Jefferson and Corbin won't get it done. Ma Will and Mo Will are better suited to come off the bench after this year if we decide to keep them both.
    well, pretty good speech

    6. he's not terrible, i think marvin will be fine if this team turn things around

    11. we should have done this last year already.. at least more of that

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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM View Post
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    I would rather have had the young guys gotten more minutes last year and us having added Barnes (or whomever) to the team. I can say that, since it's not hindsight .. but rather recalling the foresight.
    So you are saying that the Jazz are a year behind?
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    Quote Originally Posted by orangello View Post
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    So you are saying that the Jazz are a year behind?
    I don't think it can be quantified into a precise timeframe, but yes, I think we'd be much further ahead if our young guys would have gotten significantly more burn and we ended up with a lottery pick (Barnes?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM View Post
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    I don't think it can be quantified into a precise timeframe, but yes, I think we'd be much further ahead if our young guys would have gotten significantly more burn and we ended up with a lottery pick (Barnes?).
    I understand what you are saying. I know it has been discussed here before but unless you are the Lakers, Heat or Spurs your Window of winning something meaningful is very short.

    Look at the Thunder. I'm not saying that they will not get back to the finals but they were close to keeping the most important parts of their finals run together but they play exactly 0 games after getting to the finals.

    I hope the Jazz opportunity has not already been missed.
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    My point of view;

    After Williams&Memo&Boozer era end Jazz should have start from scratch in rebuilding process. That way natural development period would give our young guys pt & burn they need for years to come. We were got our high draft picks and Favors ready (williams, brewer trade) it would be a shorter process than the most teams that we see on the rebuilding process like Cavs, Wolves etc. and would be similar to OKC`s with same group of age youngsters.

    But we didn`t show the patient and made the hasty Big Al trade and give away Koufos and future 1st round picks and tried to be a above average team at the strong west unnecessarily & desperately. Now we stuck with a team that veterans at the leading role and every player on the team can claim that he deserves +20 minutes and you cant argue about that.

    Current situation it`s not just about Corbin and his wrong decisions, in the same time it`s about poor GM decisions that had been made for the last 3 year.

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