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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
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    Poor choice of words. I do not support secession. Discussing it is fine but when it comes to serious planning and legitimately trying to secced I know where I stand and will make no bones about it.

    Yeah I know, I was messing with you :-)
    But seriously, what do you think is so wrong with a state actually attempting secession?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSilencer1313 View Post
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    States would do commerce with Texas, because the federal government cannot supersede states rights.
    You actually think that phone companies, internet companies, and other companies would just stop selling their services to the biggest state in the union?

    The Texas dollar would be worth a hell of a lot more than the U.S. dollar.
    Mostly because their dollar would have commodity backing, and would not have interest and inflation attached to it by the Federal Reserve.
    Totally false on just about every level.

    States have no authority or right to set foreign policy. If the federal government says we aren't doing commerce with a foreign country (Texas) then no state will be doing any commerce with them until the federal government says it's okay.

    You could also expect all of the USA allies to boycott them as well. And possibly even a NATO backed blockade in the gulf of Mexico if Texas started doing business with enemies of the USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaltyDawg View Post
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    Sounds like Iran.
    Idiocy.
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    To strong Salty. Idiocy is not right. My apologies.

    Texas is already far beyond Iran in terms of infrastructure. They are also not under sanctions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
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    To strong Salty. Idiocy is not right. My apologies.

    Texas is already far beyond Iran in terms of infrastructure. They are also not under sanctions.
    Are they really far beyond Iran in terms of infrastructure? My understanding is Iran is actually a pretty advanced place, just ran by nutjobs. Very similar to what Texas would be.

    You could expect Texas to get slapped with sanctions too. You can't slap the USA in the face and not get slapped back. If they seceded, the federal government would do everything they could to mage out a tough go for them.

    Just look at Cuba, and they weren't even a state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaltyDawg View Post
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    Are they really far beyond Iran in terms of infrastructure? My understanding is Iran is actually a pretty advanced place, just ran by nutjobs. Very similar to what Texas would be.

    You could expect Texas to get slapped with sanctions too. You can't slap the USA in the face and not get slapped back. If they seceded, the federal government would do everything they could to mage out a tough go for them.

    Just look at Cuba, and they weren't even a state.
    America might but that does not mean places like Europe, Mexico, Africa and Asian would make it tough on them. I think Texas would actually have a population boom.

    Your claim that they are nutjobs is pretty shallow and should be beneath you. Your political hack is showing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
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    America might but that does not mean places like Europe, Mexico, Africa and Asian would make it tough on them. I think Texas would actually have a population boom.

    Your claim that they are nutjobs is pretty shallow and should be beneath you. Your political hack is showing.
    No, you're just entering your bubble again. If Texas seceded from the union, I don't think it would be debatable, they would be considered nutjobs.

    Also, none of those USA allies would do business with Texas if the USA stressed the point. And if enemies of the USA started doing business with them, then there would be a military blockade preventing it.

    There might even be some concerns of weapons of mass destruction, genocide, or some other reason to invade.

    Again, this has already happened with Cuba. And they weren't even a state, plus were backed by the Soviet Union.

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    Texas leads the nation in crude oil production, can process 4.8 million barrells of crude per day, has coastal waters for fishing, Texas has the most farms and highest acreage in the US, most of Texas is on its own pwer grid and it produces the most wind power in the nation.

    Seems like they would be off to a damn good start. Also conservatives (and one can assume that would be the leading Texas ideology) generally tries to get heavy corporate involvement. So I would assume much more favorable rates for coorporations.

    I'd expect economic and population booms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaltyDawg View Post
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    No, you're just entering your bubble again. If Texas seceded from the union, I don't think it would be debatable, they would be considered nutjobs.

    Also, none of those USA allies would do business with Texas if the USA stressed the point. And if enemies of the USA started doing business with them, then there would be a military blockade preventing it.

    There might even be some concerns of weapons of mass destruction, genocide, or some other reason to invade.

    Again, this has already happened with Cuba. And they weren't even a state, plus were backed by the Soviet Union.
    I disagree. There would not be genocide or similar concerns. The fact that you are going there pretty much ends this "debate".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
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    Texas leads the nation in crude oil production, can process 4.8 million barrells of crude per day, has coastal waters for fishing, Texas has the most farms and highest acreage in the US, most of Texas is on its own pwer grid and it produces the most wind power in the nation.

    Seems like they would be off to a damn good start. Also conservatives (and one can assume that would be the leading Texas ideology) generally tries to get heavy corporate involvement. So I would assume much more favorable rates for coorporations.

    I'd expect economic and population booms.
    Most of that would be moot if the USA closed off all the borders, and cut off all commerce with Texas.

    Almost everything you just said can also be said about Iran.

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