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    Abraham Lincoln was hand-picked by English-influenced financial interests, who had also financed both the abolitionist and secessionist hotheads, precisely because they knew his hard line against slavery would break up our American Union, after which, it was envisioned, the English could once again impose their rule over us. But he bucked his backers, and fought the war to keep the union. It wasn't about slavery exactly, but about American ideas of human rights versus the Bristish oligarchy. However, the English still had the wit to win. . . . they turned federalism into their ace. . .. well into about a hundred aces stuffed up their sleeves. . . . and in the years following the Civil War they owned a whole lot of American enterprise, and had literal vassal lords Americans used to call "robber barons" securing monopolies in every sector of American enterprise.

    And today, we are ruled more by the ideals of the feudal lords than by Monroe, Madison, or Jefferson. . . . .

    our dumb secessionists today are really just uninformed about geopolitics. The real objective of liberty would be to revolutionize the United Nations and make it a representative democracy where all kinds of diverse people could maintain their personal rights and liberties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
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    Abraham Lincoln was hand-picked by English-influenced financial interests, who had also financed both the abolitionist and secessionist hotheads, precisely because they knew his hard line against slavery would break up our American Union, after which, it was envisioned, the English could once again impose their rule over us. But he bucked his backers, and fought the war to keep the union. It wasn't about slavery exactly, but about American ideas of human rights versus the Bristish oligarchy. However, the English still had the wit to win. . . . they turned federalism into their ace. . .. well into about a hundred aces stuffed up their sleeves. . . . and in the years following the Civil War they owned a whole lot of American enterprise, and had literal vassal lords Americans used to call "robber barons" securing monopolies in every sector of American enterprise.

    And today, we are ruled more by the ideals of the feudal lords than by Monroe, Madison, or Jefferson. . . . .

    our dumb secessionists today are really just uninformed about geopolitics. The real objective of liberty would be to revolutionize the United Nations and make it a representative democracy where all kinds of diverse people could maintain their personal rights and liberties.
    Just to clarify, you are saying the great industrial giants like Rockefeller, Vanderbilt and Carnegie were simply British stooges?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Thriller View Post
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    I would love for most of those states to secede.

    Please leave.

    Pay for your own tornado and hurricane repair, security, and welfare. Most of those states wouldn't survive if they weren't sucking money away from other states to pay for their own lazy ass citizens.
    Personally I would love for Utah to secede, just to get away from liberal socialists like yourself and your president. People like you DO NOT follow the constitution, and are the reason why Texas has over 82,000 signatures and growing.
    Texas is home to Ron Paul endorsers and Alex Jones listeners, that are more than able to take care of themselves without your precious hurricane help, social security, and welfare.
    It's neo-conservative agreements like NAFTA and GATT that sent all of our nations jobs to Mexico and China in the first place, and is a huge reason why many people of this nation want nothing more to do with a two party system that creates an illusion of choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSilencer1313 View Post
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    Personally I would love for Utah to secede, just to get away from liberal socialists like yourself and your president. People like you DO NOT follow the constitution, and are the reason why Texas has over 82,000 signatures and growing.
    Texas is home to Ron Paul endorsers and Alex Jones listeners, that are more than able to take care of themselves without your precious hurricane help, social security, and welfare.
    It's neo-conservative agreements like NAFTA and GATT that sent all of our nations jobs to Mexico and China in the first place, and is a huge reason why many people of this nation want nothing more to do with a two party system that creates an illusion of choice.


    Nice to see this "libertarian" paradise would be free of differing political opinions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Notes View Post
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    Just to clarify, you are saying the great industrial giants like Rockefeller, Vanderbilt and Carnegie were simply British stooges?
    No.
    Because those British stooges still running our countries Federal Reserve.
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    Nice to see this "libertarian" paradise would be free of differing political opinions.
    Hahaha.....
    Differing political opinions??
    So you're saying Democrats and Republicans actually differ?
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    I was responding to this "Personally I would love for Utah to secede, just to get away from liberal socialists like yourself"

    Which has nothing to do with whether democrats or republicans have differing political beliefs. Which I think is quite clearly the case btw.
    They don't differ too much since they are both further to the right end of the political spectrum than the left, which makes your claim Obama is a "liberal socialist" even more hysterical to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombie View Post
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    I was responding to this "Personally I would love for Utah to secede, just to get away from liberal socialists like yourself"
    Interesting.

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    They may not differ much since they are further to the right end of the political spectrum than the left, which makes your claim Obama is a "liberal socialist" even more hysterical to me.
    Even more interesting.
    Central banks..... entitlement programs ..... socialized medicine..... civilian national security forces.....

    Hang on, I have to go check my copy of the communist manifesto for the rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Notes View Post
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    Just to clarify, you are saying the great industrial giants like Rockefeller, Vanderbilt and Carnegie were simply British stooges?
    simply put, that's what it amounts to.

    But before you bust your gut laughing at it, it is clear you are also such a stooge for entirely missing the actual point.

    You are not a qualified American, in the original sense of the American revolutionaries who actually believed in human rights, actual personal liberty and freedom, or who took pride in their values of independence, integrity, and self-reliance. . . . . when compared to the feudal vassals, the commoners who in Europe depended on their landholder nobility and lived the lives of peasants and serfs.

    "British Stooges" as I would use the term, are people who think the world is best run by elites, in various apparitions of superiority such as professionals, clergy, intellectuals, and industrial giants, or wealthy genteel persons who from their thrones of social authority can instill docile servility on the humans of the lower classes. Clearly, industrial and cartel monopolists seriously believe they are more qualified to determine our destinies than "WE, the People."

    And the fact remains that American high society has always licked the boots of the English nobility. I could name a few names of those Americans who were enthralled to be knighted by the Queen and considered it step up in their career to become British subjects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
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    simply put, that's what it amounts to.

    But before you bust your gut laughing at it, it is clear you are also such a stooge for entirely missing the actual point.

    You are not a qualified American, in the original sense of the American revolutionaries who actually believed in human rights, actual personal liberty and freedom, or who took pride in their values of independence, integrity, and self-reliance. . . . . when compared to the feudal vassals, the commoners who in Europe depended on their landholder nobility and lived the lives of peasants and serfs.

    "British Stooges" as I would use the term, are people who think the world is best run by elites, in various apparitions of superiority such as professionals, clergy, intellectuals, and industrial giants, or wealthy genteel persons who from their thrones of social authority can instill docile servility on the humans of the lower classes. Clearly, industrial and cartel monopolists seriously believe they are more qualified to determine our destinies than "WE, the People."

    And the fact remains that American high society has always licked the boots of the English nobility. I could name a few names of those Americans who were enthralled to be knighted by the Queen and considered it step up in their career to become British subjects.

    babe always puts things in prospective, and I think he/she is right on the dot here.
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