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    What happened to the role playing PG that can shoot?

    After watching the the Jazz play without Mo Williams I noticed that the ball moved around a lot more. We also know how bad Tinsley is at shooting. I love Mo Williams and think he is huge upgrade over Devin Harris but just thinking about the type of PG we want next summer.

    Is it possible to find a role playing PG that can run a offense without having to dribble around in circles (Deron, Nash, Chris Paul etc type)?
    Notice that these types of PG's who dominate the ball never get to the finals???? Not saying that they never will but usually in the playoffs they are easier to stop if the entire team depended on 1 player for the offense to run.

    Is it also possible to find a role playing shooting guard that can shoot but doesn't jack up shots constantly???

    What happened to the players like BJ Armstrong, Ron Harper type players? That set up the offense but understand the ball needs to move a lot. A player who understood when to slow things down and when to run. Setting the tone for the team.

    I remember all through the 90's there used to be plenty of players like this. Now its PG's who think they are SG's or PG's who think they should the only ones who get assists. Its selfish to think you are the only play maker on the court. Like Nash, Deron and Paul.

    But its also selfish to shoot constantly and not keep the ball moving.

    Any free agents next summer who have this quality??? Or rookies in next years draft???

    Mario Chalmers seems to have this quality. He is on team option next summer which they will re up.

    Do we try to sign Maynor next summer??? Just throwing out ideas.
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    It should be noted that the Jazz moved the ball around a lot with Tinsley because the were in a half court offense the whole time. With Mo Williams, the Jazz run a lot more so there are fewer passes.

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    I agree that Mo isn't the type of PG the Jazz need. I love Mo and think he should be our shooting guard but he has a very hard time in the half court offense. He missed Hayward and Favors (PnR).

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    Notice who these type of PGs (Armstrong, Chalmers, Fisher in his prime) played with!

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    Mo played a little better tonight. He's still not a very good PG, but played the drive and kick better than I've seen all year and he didn't turn it into the Mo Show.

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    Mo had some impressive passes tonight, 14 asts, 42% from 3. Does that meet your criteria?

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    It is true that they ran more half court sets. But that again proves my point at some levels. Mo Runs down the court a lot and takes very quick shots himself. So it does hurt the rest of the team sometimes. And again I am not a MO hater. I think he is a good point guard and better than anything we could of got.
    But his shot selection sucks at times.

    Yes they played with great stars. But also know they didn't force shots when they got the ball. They only shot when they were open. I didn't even name Fisher because I thought his shot selection was bad and has always been bad.

    Mo gets the ball into the post but not off the pick and Roll.

    And if you love stats and you base things on them then I am not going to argue with you. Stats never tell the whole story. And even if we discussed Mo's stats tonight. He played 50 minutes!!! If you are a point guard and play 50 minutes and you don't get double digit assist then that is pretty bad.

    A great point guard is more in tune with the tempo and controlling the flow and seeing things before they happen. Rather then the jump shooting ball hogs that have to be the play makers that are flooding the NBA now. Those teams that have that ball hog PG (lots of assists doesn't mean your not a ball hog) don't win championships.

    I actually like Mo Williams right now for our team because he can shoot. But I think finding a more modest if you will PG is a better option.
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    I think over all, I am pleasantly surprised by Mo Williams. He isnt bad for what we had to give up. He definitely is better shooter at pg than we have had in a while.

    Ya, some of his decisions arent the best, but he isnt atrocious. And its still really early. Give him time to gel with the team. Id say, not bad so far.
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    It is true that they ran more half court sets. But that again proves my point at some levels. Mo Runs down the court a lot and takes very quick shots himself. So it does hurt the rest of the team sometimes. And again I am not a MO hater. I think he is a good point guard and better than anything we could of got.
    But his shot selection sucks at times.

    Yes they played with great stars. But also know they didn't force shots when they got the ball. They only shot when they were open. I didn't even name Fisher because I thought his shot selection was bad and has always been bad.

    Mo gets the ball into the post but not off the pick and Roll.

    And if you love stats and you base things on them then I am not going to argue with you. Stats never tell the whole story. And even if we discussed Mo's stats tonight. He played 50 minutes!!! If you are a point guard and play 50 minutes and you don't get double digit assist then that is pretty bad.

    A great point guard is more in tune with the tempo and controlling the flow and seeing things before they happen. Rather then the jump shooting ball hogs that have to be the play makers that are flooding the NBA now. Those teams that have that ball hog PG (lots of assists doesn't mean your not a ball hog) don't win championships.

    I actually like Mo Williams right now for our team because he can shoot. But I think finding a more modest if you will PG is a better option.
    Tony Parker was MVP of the NBA Finals.

    I have no problem with Mo pushing the tempo. My main problem with Harris (besides his often poor shooting) was the fact that he almost never pushed the tempo.

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