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    Quote Originally Posted by Catchall View Post
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    Hayward is a smart player. His movement is efficient on defense and he's become a good defensive player. He's also a decent rebounder. On offense, he's been developing a drive-and-kick game, and he usually makes the right pass. He's not the best spot-up shooter, but that should improve if he keeps working on it. CJ was basically a spot-up shooter with a flakey stroke.
    I have noticed some improvement lately in Hayward's ability to shoot off of screens, or be a spot up shooter.

    When he is mentally in it and takes the pass and shoots immediately while he still has an opening it has looked good lately. When his head is not in it and he hesitates, it stalls our offense and we basically have to start over because he gets the pass, waits a second, and now his defender is on him and the whole point of all that movement to get open is wasted.

    Better, not great... but I have seen some flashes of brilliance. I hope and pray that those flashes turn into some sort of reality night after night. That's what we loved about Horny right? He would come off those screens, catch the pass and be shooting already... it was smooth and beautiful. I think I honestly liked the play of Horny more than John and Karl. Just a personal preference of playing style, even though I enjoyed all three. They were a beautiful trifecta of awesomeness.

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    Gobert has a serious defensive gravity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKMVP View Post
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    Please, never mention Hayward and Stockton in one sentence. That's just travesty. And no, he is not the best passer on the team, not even close. He is decent passer but nothing special.
    I never said he was as good as Stockton. Just the way they never try to do more then they can neither are flashy, always making the fundamentally sound play. Dont put words in my mouth and stop being a troll.
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    Yeah and you said he is going to average 20pts a game last year. ^Wrong, ^wrong, ^wrong, ^wrong.

    I also said the jazz are using him incorrectly. He's not a spot up shooter. He's a slashing playmaker, and Ty is making him play off the ball spotting up. Hayward needs the ball in his hands. He's a playmaker! Players don't just spot up, and stand behind the three point line! Ge your damned facts straight. Shouldn't you be on the wolves message boar riding AK's ass?

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    Hayward is a very useful player and benefits the team the way AK did. I'm still not sure if he's a 2 or a 3, but he's a starter in the league. He'll be a better shooter than he is currently, but he'll never be at a Korver level. Ironically, he's on the same path as AK relatively speaking. If the Jazz overrate him, he'll get an extension this offseason at 10 million or over which is too much (based on present evidence.) The better move would be to let him play into his RFA year. But for this year and next, he's a very good player at his contract value. The question is whether KOC would deal him, and he's definitely not untouchable.

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    ...and in other news CJ Miles is now in the doghouse in Cleveland. That didn't take long did it?
    He got a "dnp - coach's decision" against his buddy Deron Williams last night. That must have been embarrassing.
    "les grandes défaites forgent les grands hommes" - Rudy Gobert

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolution 9 View Post
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    ...and in other news CJ Miles is now in the doghouse in Cleveland. That didn't take long did it?
    He got a "dnp - coach's decision" against his buddy Deron Williams last night. That must have been embarrassing.
    A DNP-CD on Cleveland's bench has to be ridiculously embarrassing.
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    "Chuckmanship" is my new favorite word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKMVP View Post
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    yeah he is better then CJ... But we could have had Paul George...
    You are complaining about Hayward missing FGs this year, and in the same breath ask for Paul George, who is actually shooting MUCH worse from the floor at just 40% this year (Hayward is at 44). Grass always seems greener on the other side, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absentee View Post
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    "Chuckmanship" is my new favorite word.
    Thank you, I'm glad I could add a fun new word to our lives.
    Gobert has a serious defensive gravity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borat View Post
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    You are complaining about Hayward missing FGs this year, and in the same breath ask for Paul George, who is actually shooting MUCH worse from the floor at just 40% this year (Hayward is at 44). Grass always seems greener on the other side, isn't it?
    We have to learn not to respond to AKMVP. He's going to say what he's going to say, and no amount of logic is going to help. He's a troll, and trolls going to troll if ya know what I mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolution 9 View Post
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    ...and in other news CJ Miles is now in the doghouse in Cleveland. That didn't take long did it?
    He got a "dnp - coach's decision" against his buddy Deron Williams last night. That must have been embarrassing.

    Yeah, but not as embarrassing as 0-7 .

    I found this bit on ESPN to be a great summary of CJ.

    ESPN Fantasy Projection: Coach Byron Scott said Miles has 'untapped' potential, but, after his seven NBA seasons, we think Miles is what he is: a mediocre-shooting backup swingman.
    Virtue lies in the struggle, not in the prize.

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