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    Quote Originally Posted by JazzSpazz View Post
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    After the 30% cuts in 2005, loss of pension in all reality, no pension for new employees, double cost on health insurance with less benefit... it all adds up.

    There's more to it than just one number.
    I have no problems with alot of the first cuts. However I wonder what cuts the CEOs and management made? Did they give up all bonuses,take a 30% cut in pay and other similar efforts to truly get the ball rolling?

    Everyone needs to ante up so to speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
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    I have no problems with alot of the first cuts. However I wonder what cuts the CEOs and management made? Did they give up all bonuses,take a 30% cut in pay and other similar efforts to truly get the ball rolling?

    Everyone needs to ante up so to speak.
    I'm with you. I'm guessing they did not. More cuts turns it into a pattern. At first glance I was thinking the employees should just suck it up.... with more information coming out I'm not so sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JazzSpazz View Post
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    I'm with you. I'm guessing they did not. More cuts turns it into a pattern. At first glance I was thinking the employees should just suck it up.... with more information coming out I'm not so sure.
    Knew I was right to withold opinion till I had more info.
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    92% is still greater than 0. It's just like any other job, if you're unhappy with it, find something else. Instead, approximately 5000 Bakers Union members put 18,500 out of work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Jazz Fan View Post
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    92% is still greater than 0. It's just like any other job, if you're unhappy with it, find something else. Instead, approximately 5000 Bakers Union members put 18,500 out of work.
    I am not rubber stamp union lover. However one could say that bad management had a healthy amount to do with the loss of those 18,500 jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Jazz Fan View Post
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    92% is still greater than 0. It's just like any other job, if you're unhappy with it, find something else. Instead, approximately 5000 Bakers Union members put 18,500 out of work.
    I'd say that 5000 workers were unwilling to take it up the ass for 18,500 other workers due to the mismanagement of the company. Just because there was no limit to the sacrifice the bakers union workers were unwilling to endure doesn't mean everything is their fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Jazz Fan View Post
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    92% is still greater than 0. It's just like any other job, if you're unhappy with it, find something else. Instead, approximately 5000 Bakers Union members put 18,500 out of work.
    It's not like the marketplace will disappear. Instead, people will buy Dolly Madison, Little Debbies, etc. Those companies will need to hire more bakers, delivery people, etc. Things shift around.

    Then again, I'm a liberal, so unlike conservatives, I believe in the strength of the free market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Brow View Post
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    It's not like the marketplace will disappear. Instead, people will buy Dolly Madison, Little Debbies, etc. Those companies will need to hire more bakers, delivery people, etc. Things shift around.

    Then again, I'm a liberal, so unlike conservatives, I believe in the strength of the free market.
    Lol, love it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Jazz Fan View Post
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    92% is still greater than 0. It's just like any other job, if you're unhappy with it, find something else. Instead, approximately 5000 Bakers Union members put 18,500 out of work.
    You are stuck on the 92% number. It's 64% only considering the pay cut. It's much much less considering the raised cost of health care, loss of retirement, and lesser benefits of health care.

    I see what you are stuck on, but just don't think you are seeing the whole picture here.
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