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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSilencer1313 View Post
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    That's what she said.
    She's due in May...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
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    She's due in May...
    Wow, another one huh?
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    Wow, another one huh?
    #3 and likely the last one.
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    I'm sure you left out the "young" part of that quote just as an oversight, huh? So what Romney is saying here is that people don't like Austerity talk? They don't like when they feel you are going to take something away? I'm floored. Let's get 4000 comments on the Washington Post disputing that when there is a whole world on anti-austerity fire right now as real world evidence. Who's in the streets protesting in the countries? The unemployed, minorities, and the young? Isn't that what Romney is saying? Does it not apply to the United States as well? Of course it does. That may or may not have been what made up the differential in this particular election, but there were certainly a lot of people on twitter talking about how Romney was coming after "them". That racial genocide was just around the corner via austerity.....Which of course is nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
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    #3 and likely the last one.
    Congrats my friend :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
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    Serious question on immigration to all that are here.

    Would you take a compromise on immigration that does the following:

    - Truly secure border (fence, national guard...)
    - No more anchor babies for babies born in the future
    - Amnesty (6 month temp status to get the ball rolling) to everyone here right now that is not breaking additional laws such as robbery, rape, murder, drug dealing...
    - Deportation of those here illegally that are breaking other laws
    - Increased legal immigration flow. Streamline process and dramtically increase the flow. Particular emphasis on doctors, engineers, vets and other high skill sets.
    1) No problem there
    2) Pretty much a myth. I would be opposed to changing the 14th Amendment, though, if that's what you meant. Looking at countries without it, you wind up with generational second-class natives (such as the grandchildren of Turkish workers in Germany).
    3) Sound good.
    4) Isn't that already happening (departation after jail)?
    5) I would agree with that provision.
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    They simply need to give more people what they want regardless of ramifications? ... All of this caters to very specific segments of society,...
    That's as opposed to the gifts of the separate tax struture for capital gains taxes, the lowering of the top marginal tax rate, etc., which doesn't cater to any segment of society? I may have misread your tone, but to me it reeked of "those people want goodies instead of a responsible, fair government". Do you have enough self-reflection to see that both sides see themselves as wanting a responsible, fiar government, and both sides can paint the others as the ones demanding the goodies?
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    1) No problem there
    2) Pretty much a myth. I would be opposed to changing the 14th Amendment, though, if that's what you meant. Looking at countries without it, you wind up with generational second-class natives (such as the grandchildren of Turkish workers in Germany).
    3) Sound good.
    4) Isn't that already happening (departation after jail)?
    5) I would agree with that provision.
    How do you figure. A child born to illegal parents in the US is a US citizen. I do not agree with that. Keep in mind my offer of a deal would only deal with those that are born in the future not the ones already born.

    Example. A year after the deal goes into effect and the border is secure an illegal immigrant arrives int he US and after a few months has a child. That child is an illegal immigrant as well. So when we catch mom and dad and send them home their child goes with them and has no rights to US citizenship.

    That would of course require estensive immigration enforcement.
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    Kind of ironic the Master Flip Flopper of our age complaining about Obama catering to people and offering folks promises and gifts in exchange for votes. Just what exactly was his motivation in flip flopping and changing his point of view on literally every single campaign issue?

    Offering folks what they want and making campaign promises is the very definition of campaigning. That's what the election is for.

    Mitt Romney offered tax cuts for the rich, greater defense spending, wanting to get tough against Iran and China, the elimination of Big Bird, and the repeal of Obamcare... Then he offered the complete opposite a few hundred times as well... LOL... In fact, was there anything that Mitt Romney didn't promise? Difficult to keep track.

    anyway, depending on your perspective, you could easily accuse Mitters of catering to the rich, promising more defense spending (and checks to contractors), promising more private ownership and funding into PBS, and catered to his special interest groups for Obamacare. He promised old white Christian males a lot of things. And lost.

    If promising stuff was wrong then the whole campaign system is wrong.

    If repubs want to get rid of making promises and offering "gifts" then that's fine. Just make sure that you folks play the same rules.

    No more talk of repealing Obamacare, No more talk of privatizing SS, no more defense spending increases, no more oil/gas subsidies, no more promises that you'll "get tough" on immigration, no more wall construction talk between us and Mexico, and my personal favorite, NO MORE PROMISES TO BUILD SPACE BASES ON THE MOON WHILE CAMPAIGNING IN FLORIDA!!!

    How is promising to allow homosexuals to be married promising gifts, free stuff, buying off votes different from promising to define marriage as a union of a man and woman? Isn't that essentially buying people off? I don't get how it's different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
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    How do you figure.
    If a baby is born in the US to illigal immagrants, the parents can still be deported. They will normally take the child with them. When the kid turns 18, the child can return to the US as a citizen, and then request the legal immigration of their parents, which is still not guaranteed. I just find it very difficult to believe that people have kids in order to legally immigrate to the US 19 years in the future.


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    A child born to illegal parents in the US is a US citizen. I do not agree with that.
    According to the 14th Amendment, if illegals can be prosecuted for violations of drug laws and the like (and thus are subject to our laws), their kids born on US soil will be citizens. Do you really want ot repeal that? Alternatively, do you want to say those illegal immigrants aren't subject to our laws?
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