Yes, that would be a deal-breaker for me. A kid born in the US, perhaps not even speaking Spanish well, has no path to citizenship? That's profoundly anti-American (as well as un-Constitutional).
Originally Posted by Stoked
If the baby is in the US and not on Medicaid, does that mean it only gets emergency-room care? No vaccinations, well-child checks, etc.? That's a huge health risk not just for the baby, but for all the legal citizens as well. Where does the kid stay if the parents are caught, and jailed, under your provisions? I don't think it could be in US foster care, could it?
Isaiah 1:18 -- Come now, and let us reason together
Any habitual action, such as eating or dressing, may be performed on the appropriate occasion, without any need of thought, and the same seems to be true of a painfully large proportion of our talk. -- Bertrand Russell
11-16-2012 01:36 PM
I never indicated that the parents would be jailed. That is your own assumption. I would hav ethem immediately deported with the child and billt he government they came from. Have a heavy fine on businesses and American citizens that shelter/assist them in hiding. For non citizens that bring in or shelter (knowingly) illegals they lose their status and are sent home as well.
Originally Posted by One Brow
Deal breaker huh? Fair enough. What about you Nate?
Edit: Keep in mind this is all just a hypothetical in an attempt to find a compromise.
It's so funny to watch the GOP (folks like scat and stoked), like a dog chasing its own tail, blame this election loss on everything under the moon other than themselves.
First, it was Obama and his unions. He catered to unions and blacks. Then, he bought off the car people with bailouts. And then he was going to take everyone's guns and destroy religion.
Then, Obamacare was going to be his Waterloo. Which is so weird because Obamacare was the GOP's HC reform proposal just a few years ago. It was created by the Heritage Foundation, supported by Orrin Hatch, and implemented at a state level by Gov Romney. Suddenly their own HC reform plan becomes "Socialism", a gov "takeover", and "death panels" because a Demo suggests it? HUH???
Then, Mitt Romney came along. He was, at first, a bad candidate and far too Mormon and flip flopped too much. The pizza guy was the answer. Then it was the Texas dude (until he forgot his line). Then it was Newt!
Then Romney was essentially given the ticket because he was the only one who stood a chance to beat Obama (because all the other candidates were too idiotic).
Then... Romney suddenly became great. He was the ideal candidate because he understood business! His flip flopping showed how moderate he was and how he could go across the aisle to get things done!
He was guaranteed to win! It was all over for Obama!
Then.... Romney lost... Big.
First, it was because of young people, Hispanics, women, blacks, unions, and poor people.
then it was blamed on the repub primaries which just left all their candidates too tainted (as if the 08 Demo primaries weren't bad???).
Now, the repubs are blaming Romney for not attacking Obama more on the economy and Libya.
keep chasing that dog tail! Eventually you'll get it repubs!
Keep avoiding the elephant in the room...
Crazy... Just... Crazy... You lost the election in part, because of morons like these:
The Election made me wonder how we could arrive at another four years of an Obama Administration. Previous presidents strengthened the U.S. and united it as e pluribus Unum, i.e., "one out of many." President Obama has splintered the U.S. into "many out of one."
Think about George Washington. He helped establish the U.S and generate the Constitution, the greatest God-inspired civil document; Abraham Lincoln helped to keep the United States united; Wilson and Roosevelt protected the U.S. from foreign aggressors; The Bushes led the U.S. to stop the overrun of smaller countries by foreign aggressors; Obama proceeded to fundamentally change America by forcing medical care upon U.S. citizens and overruled constitutional laws by his executive orders, etc.
The roughly 48 percent of U.S. voters who did not vote for Obama and his "changes" need to continue to abide by the Constitution and fight such changes for and with all their God-given rights.
Someone might want to inform Craig that this free phone stuff was started by Reagan.... But of course AM radio didn't tell him that.
Want to know who's really to blame for the Obama re-election? The Republican-controlled House of Representatives, which voted to raise the debt ceiling. Had they not done that, Obama would have had no money to buy votes with cellphones, food stamps, etc.
Tell the Republicans to avoid another fatal mistake.
The institutionalized government spending owes its existence to both major parties, who have taken turns running up the debt as if it's something to be proud of, and both when "out of power" have complained about irresponsible spending by the party in power. The fact remains, we had no real choice in the past election, Romney would have run up the deficit too. Recent moves by House majority leader Boehner to cut conservatives out of committee positions because of "wrong" votes for more responsible budgets have proven the point.
Still, at least Romney wasn't blatantly anti-American and would have stood for a stronger America, and some other needed reforms. . . . even if he was "owned" by the banksters. . . . . better than just being a pure demagogue.
Obama "won" the latino vote by handing out privileges that should have been the subject of legislation, and by playing on class divisions essentially promising more govenment spending for everyone. He "won" the Union vote by harping on Mitts comments about how a bankruptcy court would restructure failing auto corps. . . . essentially the same way Obama did it. . . . Private capital would have picked up the "business" and redeployed it. . . . having the taxpayer money and government strings attached was OK for a while, but the managers sure hurried to repay the borrowed money and get clear of the gov control......
Mitt is in the business of turning businesses around with his own methods, sometimes taking them through bankruptcy in the process. Most substantial businesses that go into bankruptcy acquire a new management team, and go on with business. . . . Obama's measures left the old, failing, management in place and probably actually hindered progress towards better management. . . .
We have more reason to thank the Chinese for buying American cars like Buicks than to thank Obama. Obama is street-smart, unlike Mitt, and knows how to motivate more voters with promises made at your expense. . . if you are a taxpayer. . . . that's all there is to it.
Beyond these few issues, Mitt and Barry are just blood brothers willing to manage Plantation America for the bosses. . . . including everyone on the government teats.