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    Quote Originally Posted by BigWilly087 View Post
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    I think part of it is to avoid the clique problem talked about earlier in the thread. If you let people go to any ward that they want, then you will have "cool" wards and "old people" wards, etc. Having it based strictly based on geography forces people to mingle with those that they might not otherwise
    Very true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigWilly087 View Post
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    I think part of it is to avoid the clique problem talked about earlier in the thread. If you let people go to any ward that they want, then you will have "cool" wards and "old people" wards, etc. Having it based strictly based on geography forces people to mingle with those that they might not otherwise
    Good point. Less true in Utah, where the geographical boundaries are much smaller, but still a significant factor. In fact, even in Utah wards are often deliberately "gerrymandered" so that they include multiple socio-economic strata in the same ward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colton View Post
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    Good point. Less true in Utah, where the geographical boundaries are much smaller, but still a significant factor. In fact, even in Utah wards are often deliberately "gerrymandered" so that they include multiple socio-economic strata in the same ward.
    There are singles wards, Polynesian wards, Vietnamese wards, Hispanic wards, etc. Wards that meet the needs of specific groups are not at all unusual.

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    Having wards solves a lot of problems for the Church and for the individual. We don't need to be commanded in all things but there are some things where we shouldn't be left to our own devices.
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    And there are cliques wherever you go. But it does suck that they are at Church. I'm sure they are helpful to some folks. But I also think some people see cliques where there aren't any. I think some people just seem to look for reasons to be offended.
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    I'm late for this thread. . . . like I'd be late for meeting at any ward if I ever wanted to go. . . .

    I have a BIL who does go, and when he was active in "my" ward he'd swing by to collect some fast offering. Said we were about the only ones in our Hispanic neighborhood who'd "offer" anything. . . . well, except for the little old lady next door, who is absolutely the best neighbor I've ever had. It's like living next door to grandma for my kids.

    But sadly, when my BIL came to the ranch to help me put a roof on the house there, the first thing he did was declare I was forbidden to preach the Word of Wisdom to him, as he stoked up on a gallon of coffee for him and my nephew. I said I wouldn't preach the Word of Wisdom, but I might give a lecture on science. . . . and proceeded to explain about how phosphodiesterase inhibitors like caffeine and chocolate force our bodies to respond toi inactivation of one of the most universal and important biofeedback/regulation systems in all biology. One so important that it has multiple control mechanisms. . . . and that when you jack yourself up on coffee as a habit you create what is called a "state" in biochemistry language where there is a whole syndrome of altered levels of regulatory biochemicals that is set out of the normal balanced levels. And as for alcohol and tobacco. . . . not even debatable about the "wisdom", but maybe still a step backward to insert these kinds of codes into a religion, where the basic ideas are on an entirely different level of abstraction about the human soul and it's value. . . . sort of like throwing scientists out of class because they pick their nose or something. . . .

    and on other subjects showing up in here, I'd just like to say cliques are just human nature, and they are what I call a sociological labor-saving device that makes relationships just simpler. It's like knowing who mom and dad are, so far as "kids" needing to mind their manners and know what they can or should do. We all have "important" people whose feelings are disproportionately important in our behavior or decisions. . . . yeah, it's good to try to treat all people the same, but we will never do that because it just makes life too damn hard. Same thing applies in regard to "racism" so far as I'm concerned. We all need to have some comfort zone where we fit in. It's only a good idea so far as administration of government laws and in companies bigger than a mom and pop shop. It is insanely stupid to make government so pervasively powerful it becomes the major point of reference for every decision in our personal lives, though. . . . like our "progressive" friends believe it should be. Families need to reclaim their role in life. . . . and I even think we need to trim back the "Church" in it's tendency to want to be the only show "on the block" in our lives.

    local wards keep the LDS church uniform and prevent popular bishops from starting new churches based on their cultic personal charm or special doctrinal themes, and such. We can differ on the pros and cons, but it is essential to keep the schizmatic Mormons from crumbling into a thousand sects.
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