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    Quote Originally Posted by carolinajazz View Post
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    This Jazz teams lacks athletic ability, basketball skills, basketball brains, basketball intellect, basketball smarts, basketball savvy....did I miss anything?
    The main thing they lack is basketball IQ in the positions where they need it -- that is at the point. While Tinsley has it, he doesn't have the athletic ability to play extended minutes. Foye is a horrible point guard. The only thing he is good at is spot up shooting and I don't how many games we have lost in the fourth quarter because of his porous defense. Marvin is Mr. Inconsistent. He seems to have the ability but he just doesn't have a good nose for the basketball or where to be at the right time. And Mo, well, he also is not a good point guard. He's a scorer and when he's on, he can carry a team, but when he's off, you might as well let Tinsley run the offense.

    I still think last year was a mistake in making the playoffs and we're paying for it this season. I think it's time now to think about the future and play the young guys. And for God's sake, give Carroll a chance. I don't understand the hate on this board for him. The guy's a scrapper, which you can't say about too many guys on our team right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowhide View Post
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    The coach isn't the main reason why the Jazz suck. The players need to take the responsibility for their lackluster performance. Unfortunately, the Jazz have several nice players but they have few who play hard all the time.
    Huh?

    Players?

    The bench showed up. The starters didn't. Don't paint the "players" in such a broad brush.

    Players should have been held responsible. The starters should have been benched. All of them. He should have rolled with his entire bench to start the 2nd half and play most of it. Send a damn message and stop being Jefferson's bitch.

    Starting lineup for the 2nd half should have been Burks, whatever, Carroll, Favors, Kanter.

    What's the worst that could have happened? They lost? Hell, we're doing that anyway with the starters.

    A perfect opportunity to send a message was lost tonight.

    When has Ty ever disciplined anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cowhide View Post
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    The coach isn't the main reason why the Jazz suck. The players need to take the responsibility for their lackluster performance. Unfortunately, the Jazz have several nice players but they have few who play hard all the time.
    This starts and ends with coaching.

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    If the Lakers could fire a coach after 5 games why can't the Jazz fire a coach who has sucked for 2 1/2 years?

    I look at the talent we have... And there's no way we should be losing to the teams that we have lost and are losing to. No way. And it's not like we're getting any better. This team is quickly regressing despite adding more and more talent.

    We have absolutely no positive direction right now. It's pretty obvious that Ty isn't the right coach here.

    We not only need to free Burks, tell Hayward to STOP shooting (but to attack the rim), trade Jefferson, and play Favors 30+, but we need a coach who can get this offense and defense going. I mean... We really do look like the Adrian Dantley coached Nuggets out there. Or the Cowboys under Wade Phillips. Tons of talent but no leadership, direction, or motivation.

    We are going through the motions even at home! There's no way that the Lakers game should have been as close as it was. They had quit on their coach.
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    The problem is not who's playing, it's the offense we run. Phil Jackson could not win with Ty's offense just by subbing different players into the lineup. Fix the offense, fix the team, and that won't happen unless Ty is gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billyshelby View Post
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    The problem is not who's playing, it's the offense we run. Phil Jackson could not win with Ty's offense just by subbing different players into the lineup. Fix the offense, fix the team, and that won't happen unless Ty is gone.
    I agree. The offense sucks.

    But the rotations suck too.

    As does the effort.

    As does the leadership (or lack thereof).

    We're talented and probably could rock NBA 2k13. But this team is now 4-6 after playing a pretty damn easy schedule.
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    Maybe we could talk Phil Jackson into taking his revenge on the Lakers by coaching the Jazz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broncster View Post
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    Maybe we could talk Phil Jackson into taking his revenge on the Lakers by coaching the Jazz.
    Does anyone in the right mind actually think that Phil Jackson would be playing Big Al over Favors? Or DNPs for Burks? Think Phil would have allowed his team to lose to Philly tonight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cowhide View Post
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    The coach isn't the main reason why the Jazz suck. The players need to take the responsibility for their lackluster performance. Unfortunately, the Jazz have several nice players but they have few who play hard all the time.
    If that's the case so be it. My main beef with Ty is that he keeps the starters in even when they are getting their collective asses handed to them. If he tried different lineups but they didn't work, hey, at least he gave it a shot. Especially different lineups that contain young players loaded with potential who were lottery picks 2-3 seasons ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Mantooth View Post
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    This starts and ends with coaching.
    100% truth.
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