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    Quote Originally Posted by billyshelby View Post
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    WAY too early to talk about trading Sap.
    Not even close. Talking about trading Millsap this early last year would gave been too early.

    Fast forward a year and thus conversation seems like it is taking place too late.
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    Way too early to talk about trading Sap? More like it is way to late. Should have traded him at the draft to move up and get Lillard. I still believe that a deal with Sacrament could have and should have been done. Sacramento didn't need a PG... what they needed was to surround Cousins with a true pro who is a starter at PF... thats Sap. With Sap they then have 2 consummate pro's in Sap and CHuck Hayes. The offer would have been simple: Millsap and GSW pick for #5 plus we take on the final year of Garcia. I don't see how they don't do that deal... they get Millsap at his prime from 27-33 on a reasonable contract, they get a lottery pick and all they give up on is another lottery pick that won't be good because they are Sacramento and it was a bad draft. Also, T Robinson will take time to develop and has Derrick Williams written all over him....Sacramento needed maturity and a pick...

    Too soon to trade Sap? With Sap slumping it may be too Late!

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    Quote Originally Posted by billyshelby View Post
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    WAY too early to talk about trading Sap.
    That's perplexing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackham9258 View Post
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    Way too early to talk about trading Sap? More like it is way to late. Should have traded him at the draft to move up and get Lillard. I still believe that a deal with Sacrament could have and should have been done. Sacramento didn't need a PG... what they needed was to surround Cousins with a true pro who is a starter at PF... thats Sap. With Sap they then have 2 consummate pro's in Sap and CHuck Hayes. The offer would have been simple: Millsap and GSW pick for #5 plus we take on the final year of Garcia. I don't see how they don't do that deal... they get Millsap at his prime from 27-33 on a reasonable contract, they get a lottery pick and all they give up on is another lottery pick that won't be good because they are Sacramento and it was a bad draft. Also, T Robinson will take time to develop and has Derrick Williams written all over him....Sacramento needed maturity and a pick...

    Too soon to trade Sap? With Sap slumping it may be too Late!
    We are on the same page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM View Post
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    That's perplexing.
    So is the fact that both Millsap and Jefferson are still Jazzmen.
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    Sometimes you have to make bold moves to move forward. At this point going after Gasol is bold or trading Jeff/Sap for picks and going young is bold. I would take on Perkins in OKC if it got us all those good picks too... thats bold with huge upside. Resigning either Jeff/Sap is giving in to wanting butts in seats, and mediocrity. In my mind the funnest season of the last 10-12 was the AK, Bell, Harpring year of 41 and 41 when everyone thought we would lose the most games in one season all time and we were a scrappy fun team to watch. But the truth is we have no star, and until we get one to pair with our near star or upcoming star (Favors) and our good players (Hayward, Burks, Kanter) we will stay mediocre. Gasol is that. If we can't land him I say trade Sap for the best picks possible or if possible Bledsoe/Odom for Sap. Then sign and trade Jefferson in the off season for the TPE. The TPE may be the most valuable thing we can get for Sap if he doesn't cut it for the Lakers to get Gasol, or if Houston isn't willing to give up Parson or Patterson/Morris etc. I would love to trade Sap/Tinsley for Perkins/Tor pick/Dallas Pick/Maynor. My preferred trade is Sap/Mo Williams/Raja for Gasol.

    We can like Millsap and Jefferson all we want, but both are the kind of guys we can always get if we want to. We got Jefferson because Minnesota had another up and coming star in his position and didn't want to pay the last $42M of his deal. We can sign and trade Jefferson like we did Boozer and then find a player who fits the TPException, same with Millsap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackham9258 View Post
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    Sometimes you have to make bold moves to move forward. At this point going after Gasol is bold or trading Jeff/Sap for picks and going young is bold. I would take on Perkins in OKC if it got us all those good picks too... thats bold with huge upside. Resigning either Jeff/Sap is giving in to wanting butts in seats, and mediocrity. In my mind the funnest season of the last 10-12 was the AK, Bell, Harpring year of 41 and 41 when everyone thought we would lose the most games in one season all time and we were a scrappy fun team to watch. But the truth is we have no star, and until we get one to pair with our near star or upcoming star (Favors) and our good players (Hayward, Burks, Kanter) we will stay mediocre. Gasol is that. If we can't land him I say trade Sap for the best picks possible or if possible Bledsoe/Odom for Sap. Then sign and trade Jefferson in the off season for the TPE. The TPE may be the most valuable thing we can get for Sap if he doesn't cut it for the Lakers to get Gasol, or if Houston isn't willing to give up Parson or Patterson/Morris etc. I would love to trade Sap/Tinsley for Perkins/Tor pick/Dallas Pick/Maynor. My preferred trade is Sap/Mo Williams/Raja for Gasol.

    We can like Millsap and Jefferson all we want, but both are the kind of guys we can always get if we want to. We got Jefferson because Minnesota had another up and coming star in his position and didn't want to pay the last $42M of his deal. We can sign and trade Jefferson like we did Boozer and then find a player who fits the TPException, same with Millsap.
    Gasol is 32. He's not going to be a star for much longer.
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    Are we really at the overanalyst point of comparing Millsap to Brandon Bass? At the time they got their contracts everyone was saying how cheap Bass was had for. Then Bass played like Bass played and Millsap played like Millsap plays.

    Bass is a role player and Millsap is a tweener. Any team who gets Millsap for Bass money is lucky as ****.


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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
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    Are we really at the overanalyst point of comparing Millsap to Brandon Bass? At the time they got their contracts everyone was saying how cheap Bass was had for. Then Bass played like Bass played and Millsap played like Millsap plays.

    Bass is a role player and Millsap is a tweener. Any team who gets Millsap for Bass money is lucky as ****.
    And anyone that pays 9+ million for even one year is overpaying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackham9258 View Post
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    Sometimes you have to make bold moves to move forward. At this point going after Gasol is bold or trading Jeff/Sap for picks and going young is bold. I would take on Perkins in OKC if it got us all those good picks too... thats bold with huge upside. Resigning either Jeff/Sap is giving in to wanting butts in seats, and mediocrity. In my mind the funnest season of the last 10-12 was the AK, Bell, Harpring year of 41 and 41 when everyone thought we would lose the most games in one season all time and we were a scrappy fun team to watch. But the truth is we have no star, and until we get one to pair with our near star or upcoming star (Favors) and our good players (Hayward, Burks, Kanter) we will stay mediocre. Gasol is that. If we can't land him I say trade Sap for the best picks possible or if possible Bledsoe/Odom for Sap. Then sign and trade Jefferson in the off season for the TPE. The TPE may be the most valuable thing we can get for Sap if he doesn't cut it for the Lakers to get Gasol, or if Houston isn't willing to give up Parson or Patterson/Morris etc. I would love to trade Sap/Tinsley for Perkins/Tor pick/Dallas Pick/Maynor. My preferred trade is Sap/Mo Williams/Raja for Gasol.

    We can like Millsap and Jefferson all we want, but both are the kind of guys we can always get if we want to. We got Jefferson because Minnesota had another up and coming star in his position and didn't want to pay the last $42M of his deal. We can sign and trade Jefferson like we did Boozer and then find a player who fits the TPException, same with Millsap.

    Lot of good in this.

    The problem with OKC trading that Toronto pick and Perk for Jeffy is salary and defending Howard. They have to give up Thabo to get it done & going 2 for 1 leaves them a man short of a championship. If Peking Duck goes down with a career threatening injury before the trade deadline then it will be a pick toward the best offer's way. Can't root for that but it is a possibility.


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