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    Quote Originally Posted by One Brow View Post
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    Interesting read. I disagree with some of your terminology and what not but you bring up interesting points. I think at most they will get him for manslaughter.
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    If it wasn't murder then it wasn't manslaughter. If he was defending himself, with Florida's "stand your ground" laws, he will not be convicted of anything. Despite the possibility he was the aggressor there's simply no way to prove that to the extent required for a murder/manslaughter conviction, especially since he did suffer injuries and there's no one alive to provide a first hand account to counter Zimmerman's story.

    Zimmerman will walk, I'd put money on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameface View Post
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    If it wasn't murder then it wasn't manslaughter. If he was defending himself, with Florida's "stand your ground" laws, he will not be convicted of anything. Despite the possibility he was the aggressor there's simply no way to prove that to the extent required for a murder/manslaughter conviction, especially since he did suffer injuries and there's no one alive to provide a first hand account to counter Zimmerman's story.

    Zimmerman will walk, I'd put money on it.
    He'll definitely walk, but the prosecution has 0% chance if they go for anything other than manslaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Brow View Post
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    I just read your blog. Just a technical point I'd like to make, guns don't "go off," they're fired. To be certain, Zimmerman fired his gun at Martin with lethal intent.

    There is a question in all this I don't really know the answer to. If Zimmerman was the aggressor and your story is fairly accurate, at what point does Zimmerman surrender his right to self-defense? If I can make a loose analogy, just because a girl is making out with you and wearing provocative clothes (or not wearing clothes) she retains the right to say "no" at any point. So, even if Zimmerman was following Martin and harassing him, does that mean he has surrendered his right to defend himself should Martin react to the harassment by attacking Zimmerman? Unless Zimmerman struck first Martin would have committed a crime by physically attacking Zimmerman, correct? So doesn't Zimmerman have the right to protect himself from an illegal physical attack?

    Now, to me this is actually a big problem for supporters of individuals' right to self defense and by extension the right to use firearms for self defense. If I can basically taunt someone, sort of like the big brother poking at his little brother while saying "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you," then when the person being taunted responds I pull out my firearm and kill them and claim justified self defense. That's not okay in my book, even though I'm a very avid supporter of a person's right to defend them self. I think that's what may have happened in this case. I think a clearer guideline needs to be established based on this case.

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    He shot him with a Kel Tec? Cheap ass throw away gun.


    Put some respeck in my paycheck

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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
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    He shot him with a Kel Tec? Cheap ass throw away gun.
    Did the job, didn't it?

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    ^Kel Tec owner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scat View Post
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    Did the job, didn't it?
    Luckily (or not depending on perspective). Cheap guns jam.

    The last thing you want to do is hear 'click' if you're already taking an ass beating. I don't think a guy is likely to lighten up on you after you just unsuccessfully tried to shoot him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kennykyle View Post
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    He killed him, but he was also getting his ass beat, it will be tough if not impossible to convict him of anything above manslaughter.
    That's about what I feel now.

    I still believe if he would have just minded his own business he wouldn't be in this mess right now. Not sure how a grown man lets a 17 year old beat his ass that bad too.
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