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    I still think he has a fairly high ceiling because he can improve in so many areas. Mainly ball-handling and shooting, both spot-up and off the dribble. Those two things and then finishing around the basket would make him a very good player. Then get him and favors in the pick and roll, and him and kanter in the pick and pop potentially. Why isn't burks rubbing off the guy in the post on the baseline for a handoff opportunity like the jazz used to do? Seems like a perfect role for him

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    Quote Originally Posted by LazyD View Post
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    I still think he has a fairly high ceiling because he can improve in so many areas. Mainly ball-handling and shooting, both spot-up and off the dribble. Those two things and then finishing around the basket would make him a very good player. Then get him and favors in the pick and roll, and him and kanter in the pick and pop potentially. Why isn't burks rubbing off the guy in the post on the baseline for a handoff opportunity like the jazz used to do? Seems like a perfect role for him
    Most players don't improve very much on their core skills after their 3 years. I don't think Hayward is going to become much more than he is now. He is a good useful player but never a star.
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    I've given up on him ever being a finisher in traffic. But, if you have to deeply respect his 3-pnt shot (which he has all the mechanics to do, etc.) and he develops a good scoring offense around the PnR (which he most certainly can do if the offense helps him a bit more + with repetition), then he can become much better.
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    His ceiling:

    Take an AK47 but less dominant defensively (particularly blocks and his defensive versatility), combine with Manu, and Harden. Then give him a ball that has a tack jammed in it to make it bounce crookedly. Take away the ability to consistently create off of the dribble, and finally take away the general activity of these players in most aspects of the game. This is who Hayward is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJAS View Post
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    His ceiling:

    Take an AK47 but less dominant defensively (particularly blocks and his defensive versatility), combine with Manu, and Harden. Then give him a ball that has a tack jammed in it to make it bounce crookedly. Take away the ability to consistently create off of the dribble, and finally take away the general activity of these players in most aspects of the game. This is who Hayward is.
    For old time's sake, can you explain the production of this player in neo-punk Marxist terms?

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    i think we still havent seen what gordons limit is. i think untill you have a player on the floor that can compliment haywards strengths, we wont see it. he needs abig man who knows how to seta screen adn roll aka pick and roll.
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    Poor man's Harpring with better passing and worse rebounding. Said that 2 years ago and still looks the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKMVP View Post
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    Poor man's Harpring with better passing and worse rebounding. Said that 2 years ago and still looks the same.
    even if that is all he amounts too, (and i think he will achieve more) evey team needs a harpring on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qman View Post
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    Most players don't improve very much on their core skills after their 3 years. I don't think Hayward is going to become much more than he is now. He is a good useful player but never a star.
    Says who? All great players seem to improve almost every off-season in some areas. Were you blind to the progression of the 2 greatest Jazzer's of all-time? I think the Jazz may have anticipated Gordon to have a much more intense work ethic than he apparently has. If most players don't improve much on these skills after 3 years like you say it is because they are not trying very hard to do so. They become role players like Gordon is. Great players improve their game constantly because they work harder than everybody else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LazyD View Post
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    Says who? All great players seem to improve almost every off-season in some areas. Were you blind to the progression of the 2 greatest Jazzer's of all-time? I think the Jazz may have anticipated Gordon to have a much more intense work ethic than he apparently has. If most players don't improve much on these skills after 3 years like you say it is because they are not trying very hard to do so. They become role players like Gordon is. Great players improve their game constantly because they work harder than everybody else.
    yeah!! i think even karl malone took a little while to reach his dominant peak!
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