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    Interesting discussions guys. I find the angle from religious people interesting.
    What if there was a new prophet, and he was gay. I mean, let's just say there's a gay man who gay people start following as a leader.
    Kinda like Mohammad/Jesus in the middle east, Joseph Smith in Utah or Missouri or wherever it is, etc.
    Let's call him Fabulous Jesus from San Francisco. What if he and his followers establish their own gay religion, and their text includes marriage (of the gay variety). Then, would this gay religion kinda be on equal footing, since it's also a religion? It wouldn't be 'ruining' the institution of marriage any more, or would it? Or would the argument then shift to 'my institution craps on yo mama's institution'.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavenHarris View Post
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    Interesting discussions guys. I find the angle from religious people interesting.
    What if there was a new prophet, and he was gay. I mean, let's just say there's a gay man who gay people start following as a leader.
    Kinda like Mohammad/Jesus in the middle east, Joseph Smith in Utah or Missouri or wherever it is, etc.
    Let's call him Fabulous Jesus from San Francisco. What if he and his followers establish their own gay religion, and their text includes marriage (of the gay variety). Then, would this gay religion kinda be on equal footing, since it's also a religion? It wouldn't be 'ruining' the institution of marriage any more, or would it? Or would the argument then shift to 'my institution craps on yo mama's institution'.


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    Well, there are religions that permit gay marriage. That's why the the Supreme Court overruled Prop 8 in California--because it was infringing on people's freedom of religion. At least, that's my understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BabyPeterzz View Post
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    Dude, come on. At least straight Mormons have a path to banging. Imagine never getting to make love because your eyes are blue.
    There are plenty of members that never get married for a variety of reasons but they are still all asked to live their life without participating in sexual acts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAG View Post
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    There are plenty of members that never get married for a variety of reasons but they are still all asked to live their life without participating in sexual acts.
    Yes, but I think BabyPeterzz' main point was that the true injustice is taking away someone's opportunity to have sexual relations. The members you described at least have that, even if you're correct in that they experience the same struggle of going through life without sex due to their inability to find a spouse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BabyPeterzz View Post
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    Dude, come on. At least straight Mormons have a path to banging. Imagine never getting to make love because your eyes are blue.
    I don't think this comparison is valid. Although it is very clear that one's sexual orientation is not something derived by choice, you seem to be inferring that it is caused by genetics through your comparison to eye color. Just because it is not a choice, that does not necessarily mean it is genetic. That is not to say that it is not genetic either; there is simply not conclusive evidence to prove whether it is genetics, environment, or some combination of the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spycam1 View Post
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    Yes, but I think BabyPeterzz' main point was that the true injustice is taking away someone's opportunity to have sexual relations. The members you described at least have that, even if you're correct in that they experience the same struggle of going through life without sex due to their inability to find a spouse.
    I suppose I agree with that point there but both as you pointed out, experience the same struggles. The LDS church believes that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God in part because it gives the couple to ability to procreate. Two parent families, and specifically a mother and a father raising their children is what the LDS church believes is best for its members if it is possible. I do not see a time in the future when the LDS will change its position so the only thing it can do is try to help its members live up to its standards it has set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAG View Post
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    I suppose I agree with that point there but both as you pointed out, experience the same struggles. The LDS church believes that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God in part because it gives the couple to ability to procreate. Two parent families, and specifically a mother and a father raising their children is what the LDS church believes is best for its members if it is possible. I do not see a time in the future when the LDS will change its position so the only thing it can do is try to help its members live up to its standards it has set.
    Yes, I agree that the LDS Church's position on homosexuality is of sound logic within the context of its own doctrines.

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    I believe in equal rights for gays. Just like I have the right to marry a woman a gay should also have that right to marry a woman, no more no less

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    have to say, I've misread the title "Mormons are gay".

    and they are gay, if you mean the primary meaning "cheerful-joyful-happy" by gay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
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    So how do psychologists draw that prepubescent-postpubescent line?
    I don't understand why you think this is a question. You can't tell the difference between a prepubescent and a postpubscent boy? You don't think age of consent laws apply?

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    Female changes seem so much more pronounced to me. Maybe that's just because I'm a guy, I don't know.
    Even as a straight guy, I can tell that my sons friend look different at 19 than they did at fifteen. Shoulders grow out, hair thickens, etc. I agree that if I were sexually interested in men, I'd know the markers even better.
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