It was really quite beautiful to see, how respectfull they are with eacht other. Im sure they are good friends on real.
JF against EK was interesting, but could they play together with each other ?
Originally Posted by CAKAR
Why they call him BIG-AL, think of it
12-07-2012 10:03 PM
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one of the bigger reasons the Jazz didn't draft JV was because his buyout was a possible tricky situation for the team that drafted him and he wasn't going to be available right away. i think that's why Cleveland passed on him too.
The thing I like about Kanter is that he doesn't stop moving or working for the ball. A lot of rebounds that most guys wouldn't even give a shot at because they are positioned bad, Kanter will go up and often get a finger on it and then he'll have a tip match with the opposing player. From time to time, this will result in another member on the Jazz to get his tipped ball.
Freaking workhorse, baby.
Last edited by Paper_McGibblets; 12-08-2012 at 12:00 AM.
Enes actually hustles and plays defense so I think he can certainly be much better than a poor man's Jefferson in his career. Think of the Jazz's best years, the main half-court set was Karl Malone in the post. Jazz probably want to see if someone develops like him again. Mainly, I'd imagine they want to see if he can consistently pass, score, defend, and rebound well. It's a long process.
Originally Posted by AKMVP;442614[B
Enes is much better than Jonas, just because Jonas is more agile doesn't make him a better player than Kanter, Jonas will probably be an ok nba player, my guess is a good bench player who brings energy when he gets his minutes, but Enes has tools to become a much better post player. Jonas will only play good if he has good facilitators on his team, he cant do anything alone, but Enes can create his own shoot and has much more post up games.
Even Tyson Chandler scored a few when he was with C.Paul, so i expect Jonas to score decent numbers if he plays with a good pg, but other than that i think he will be an ordinary big man in this league. I would be disappointed and surprised though if Enes develops into anything less than Big Al with better defense, he can definitely be a much better player than Big Al in a few years given he gains enough mins to play. Its funny how people think he will be a poor mans Big Al
Draft Express said at the very worst Jonas will be as good as Omer Asik. I would be surprised if that is his ceiling.
One thing about Kanter is his continual confidence. Remember-
In the Turkish League, first few games sucked back but then he got rolling.
In Summer League, his first few games sucked and he got back into it.
In Preseason, I recall the same pattern and he completely dominated one game from what I recall.
So judging him after one 30+ game is not accurate at all. I think he could dominate if he's given at least a couple more such games.
What's really worrying me about Kanter is his weight. He's not the rebounding machine he used to be and JV WAS out-muscling him at times in the game.
BTW- JV is big and scary out there. He sucked today and word is he hasn't been good. What I don't like about JV is I thought he was a great PnR man, but even with Calderon and Lowry (both or which are good PGs) he didn't get many opportunity from what I remember.
Is it just me or does Kanter have to work on his cardio vascular a bit? He worked hard to lose all that weight, but his endurance looks suspect. I'm probably making excuses for reasons his rebounding had dropped when in fact it's due to his smaller frame now.
It's not often he plays that many minutes though, it could be a factor.
Originally Posted by themanknownassting
I do not think he can be as effective as Omer Asik on defense. Omer is one of the best defender as post defender, hep defender, P n R defender and all. Also he's 3rd in rebounding in whole NBA. Last his lateral quickness is just amazing for a 7 footer and you can not teach it. On offense Jonas is capable to score in digit numbers easily if he plays for a suitable team for him and avoids fouling this much.
Originally Posted by The Black Swordsman
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Originally Posted by themanknownassting
Also, bigs have to run more floor than guards and if you have a big that hustles every play, never stops moving, they're most likely going to start getting gassed no matter what shape they're in. He can certainly work on it and get better, but running 260lbs all over the court is going to show signs of heavy breathing.
Originally Posted by Thee jazz fan
Fortune and glory, kid. Fortune and glory.
Well, that's what I was saying about Toronto being bad fit for JV. Even if you look at his highlights it is rarely pick and roll play which shows that Toronto is not using JV's biggest strength. Lowry actually is very overrated as PG. He is great fantasy player, gets his numbers but does not help his team in win columns. Does not involve other players enough, makes numerous dumb decisions and early shots, rarely passes after drives in the paint, it is always either some kind of floater or other stupid shot - all in all I would want him on my fantasy team, never want him on the Jazz - just not a good team player.. Calderon is a bit better when it comes to passing but this season he plays of the bench so not to many minutes with JV.
Originally Posted by Weezur
Learning begins when you do not know the answer.
yeah I liked that too.
Originally Posted by AKMVP
Come on now, PG spot is the least of their concerns.
Originally Posted by AKMVP
Sorry dude but you're starting to create delusions again. Lowry is overrated? Look at his contract, (5.8 $ per year) look at what he did at Rockets for 3 years and look at what he is giving you right now. Dont you think its a fair deal for Raptors? Look at Stuckey or Lin if you want to see a real overrated pg. Raptors should be grateful to Daryl Morey who decided to pay Lin, double of Lowry getting from Raptors. And he was a good team player at Rockets last year where they slightly missed the playoffs with an average roster, so what made him a bad team player this year?
The problem with this Raptor team is their front court. Their winning record is not a surprise with that front court and its laughable that you missed that part. Definitely they will tank for Wiggins next year or Shabazz this year, cause their 3 spot is ****e. JV is still very young and raw. He get the starting job at the very first day, thanks to their deep and talented big men rotation. And you know about Bargs and his efficiency when he is on the court, im sure you watched enough Raptors game to see this.
The other delusion you have is "Toronto being bad fit for JV". Define bad fit.. A young big man who needs pt, game experience and the place where he getting it constantly as a starter is a bad fit? Dont think so. Dont let JV love biased you cause those delusions are funny.
Last edited by CitizenofCapua; 12-08-2012 at 11:01 AM.
Jonas had 22 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assist, and 3 blocks against Duncan and the Spurs not too long ago.
His per 48 stats are pretty similar to Kanter's, but he averages double the assist and nearly half the TO's.
Shovel your way out of the s***