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    Quote Originally Posted by zman1527 View Post
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    If they cut, he will find them? LMAO. Okay, that happens maybe once a month. And yes, it is a reliable play. We can really on Al to go very slowly, choke off the rest of the offense, and put up a shot. Very reliable.

    We are now seeing what the team can be without the Slow Al game. Much better scoring, much more efficient, much more effective = wins, much more enjoyable to watch.
    I should add that if you hate that play you also hated about 1/3 of Karl Malone's game. Sloan ran that same play through him all the time. Karl would get the ball, size up the D/his man, and then either shoot a fading J, find a cutting guard with that awesome hook pass, or back in/drive. It took several seconds typically before one of these things would happen. Just FYI, that play has been a staple of Jazz ball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Notes View Post
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    I should add that if you hate that play you also hated about 1/3 of Karl Malone's game. Sloan ran that same play through him all the time. Karl would get the ball, size up the D/his man, and then either shoot a fading J, find a cutting guard with that awesome hook pass, or back in/drive. It took several seconds typically before one of these things would happen. Just FYI, that play has been a staple of Jazz ball.
    Don't, just don't. Al Jefferson <<<< Karl Malone.

    Yes, it has been a staple of "Jazz basketball". I think that is part of the problem, they keep trying to re-create Stockton to Malone. Go with what you have and get the best out of the talent available. Don't plug square pegs into round holes. There are other ways to play the game and we have seen it in the last two games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Notes View Post
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    I should add that if you hate that play you also hated about 1/3 of Karl Malone's game. Sloan ran that same play through him all the time. Karl would get the ball, size up the D/his man, and then either shoot a fading J, find a cutting guard with that awesome hook pass, or back in/drive. It took several seconds typically before one of these things would happen. Just FYI, that play has been a staple of Jazz ball.
    I'm gonna pretend you didn't just have this abortion of a post. Nice attempt at a sort-of, like, um, comparison to 1/3rd of a two-way, highly efficient player's game.... who was also such a superior passer from that spot that it negates this, um, comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zman1527 View Post
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    Don't, just don't. Al Jefferson <<<< Karl Malone.
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    You should probably modify that to reflect reality. Jazz are playing well enough that Jefferson isn't getting traded, Millsap will most likely walk at the end of the season if KOLindsey can't get much back for him, & the FO will re-sign Jefferson for a modest amount. That's what I've said all along, of course, and JF is finally catching up.

    It's sad how far out of favor Millsap has fallen though. I feel like I'm one of the few defending him from shameless character assassins.
    There are worse outcomes than Al off the bench for a reasonable sum.

    I still hope that doesn't happen. Trade deadline, baby. Sexual Turkey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NAOS View Post
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    I'm gonna pretend you didn't just have this abortion of a post. Nice attempt at a sort-of, like, um, comparison to 1/3rd of a two-way, highly efficient player's game.... who was also such a superior passer from that spot that it negates this, um, comparison.
    So typical from people who choose to wear blinders.

    The point being not only that the low post play works, and works well, but also takes a little time to develop. You two feel free to attempt to clown this but the fact is, I just demonstrated that Al is not slowing down the offense at all by executing that play. When the guards cut off high screens he finds them. When somebody gets a mismatch pinned under the basket he finds them. If nobody moves he's probably going to score anyways.

    Again, if you don't like that play that's your business but coming back with weak ass trash like I'm retarded for bringing up Malone is simply dodging. That play does represent winning basketball, but for the offense as a whole to operate better you want smaller doses than we've seen for most of the first 20-odd games, and better execution from the 4 players on the court not named Al Jefferson. It has zero to do with Al Jefferson ruining anything offensively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Notes View Post
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    So typical from people who choose to wear blinders.

    The point being not only that the low post play works, and works well, but also takes a little time to develop. You two feel free to attempt to clown this but the fact is, I just demonstrated that Al is not slowing down the offense at all by executing that play. When the guards cut off high screens he finds them. When somebody gets a mismatch pinned under the basket he finds them. If nobody moves he's probably going to score anyways.

    Again, if you don't like that play that's your business but coming back with weak ass trash like I'm retarded for bringing up Malone is simply dodging. That play does represent winning basketball, but for the offense as a whole to operate better you want smaller doses than we've seen for most of the first 20-odd games, and better execution from the 4 players on the court not named Al Jefferson. It has zero to do with Al Jefferson ruining anything offensively.

    Cheers.
    in other news, when a Center snaps the ball to the Quarterback for the Browns.... we can still call it "football"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Notes View Post
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    The point being not only that the low post play works, and works well, but also takes a little time to develop. You two feel free to attempt to clown this but the fact is, I just demonstrated that Al is not slowing down the offense at all by executing that play. When the guards cut off high screens he finds them. When somebody gets a mismatch pinned under the basket he finds them. If nobody moves he's probably going to score anyways.
    Have you ever actually watched Slow Al play a game? He never makes those passes. Okay, once a month at best.

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    You guys simply don't want to see the truth.

    Watch Kanter run the exact same play. He gets the ball, holds it while the passer runs by him, then does his thing. It has nothing to do with the player doing something wrong, and everything to do with the design.

    If you can't get your heads around this there's nothing that can be done for you. You've made your choices and will attempt to move the facts around them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Notes View Post
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    You guys simply don't want to see the truth.

    Watch Kanter run the exact same play. He gets the ball, holds it while the passer runs by him, then does his thing. It has nothing to do with the player doing something wrong, and everything to do with the design.

    If you can't get your heads around this there's nothing that can be done for you. You've made your choices and will attempt to move the facts around them.
    You refuse to see that players make "the play", not the other way around. Therefore, when Malone does something, it might be incomparable to when Jefferson or Kanter does something that is superficially similar. For you to say we "must hate something" based on this superficiality is the height of ignorance. I'd hate the Patriots offense if Cassel was getting the snap, and love it when Brady does. Questions?
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