Page 26 of 32 FirstFirst ... 162425262728 ... LastLast
Results 251 to 260 of 312
  1. #251
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    4,128
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Total Rep Points
    2425
    Rep Adjustment Power
    36
    Quote Originally Posted by NAOS View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Look dudes, as one of the Trade-Al guys who is sticking to his guns, I RESERVE FULL RIGHT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT BLACK-HOLISMS FROM KANTER AND/OR FAVORS IF/WHEN THEY MATERIALIZE AS THE MAJOR FACET OF THE OFFENSE. Your speculative claims that IF WE TRADE AL, THEN IT'LL BE MORE OF THE SAME WITH DIFFERENT ACTORS are doing nothing to my desire to move Al.

    Questions? ****, I wish I could rep this post.
    How is your conviction that the offense will move the ball better or guys will cut more without Al any less speculative? The Toronto game? The Laker game when our bigs didn't pass the ball any more than Al does?

  2. # ADS
    Circuit advertisement
    Join Date
    Always
    Posts
    Many
     

  3. #252
    Senior Member NAOS's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Jazz Forum
    Posts
    15,932
    Mentioned
    85 Post(s)
    Total Rep Points
    29122
    Rep Adjustment Power
    100
    Quote Originally Posted by billyshelby View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    How is your conviction that the offense will move the ball better or guys will cut more without Al any less speculative? The Toronto game? The Laker game when our bigs didn't pass the ball any more than Al does?
    Does it matter if it isn't less speculative?

    One thing is for sure, I know who Al Jefferson is. Do you know who Favors and Kanter are? You wanna talk about defense?
    {size/HUGE} RUDY {/size}
    Pres. & CFO of Sefolosha Fan Club (PM for details)

  4. #253
    Senior Member NAOS's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Jazz Forum
    Posts
    15,932
    Mentioned
    85 Post(s)
    Total Rep Points
    29122
    Rep Adjustment Power
    100
    I'll add this as a sidebar: at least there is the merit that I'm willing to admit the speculative nature of my argument. The Al apologists preach their stuff like gospel.
    {size/HUGE} RUDY {/size}
    Pres. & CFO of Sefolosha Fan Club (PM for details)

  5. #254
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    4,128
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Total Rep Points
    2425
    Rep Adjustment Power
    36
    Quote Originally Posted by NAOS View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Does it matter if it isn't less speculative?

    One thing is for sure, I know who Al Jefferson is. Do you know who Favors and Kanter are? You wanna talk about defense?
    Why would we talk about defense in a "How can we score without Jefferson" thread? It seems to me this thread is about how the offense does or doesn't work with Al in it. But Al's defense is pretty basic. He's solid one on one, not a great help defender, and gets exposed in the PnR. That same description would apply to many of the top 4's and 5's in the league.

  6. #255
    Senior Member NAOS's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Jazz Forum
    Posts
    15,932
    Mentioned
    85 Post(s)
    Total Rep Points
    29122
    Rep Adjustment Power
    100
    Quote Originally Posted by billyshelby View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Why would we talk about defense in a "How can we score without Jefferson" thread? It seems to me this thread is about how the offense does or doesn't work with Al in it. But Al's defense is pretty basic. He's solid one on one, not a great help defender, and gets exposed in the PnR. That same description would apply to many of the top 4's and 5's in the league.
    We could talk about defense now or in any other thread that so often wanders off topic.

    I'll score it as a victory for my side anytime the Factoid Al Crowd realizes they don't control the terms of the debate. This stuff is debatable. It is debatable whether Al is an elite post player (i.e. efficient). If we were to grant the idea that he is elite (just for discussion), then it would be debatable whether or not this is good for the team. Etc.

    You were kind to his defense. Especially kind given that two better defenders are waiting behind him.
    {size/HUGE} RUDY {/size}
    Pres. & CFO of Sefolosha Fan Club (PM for details)

  7. #256
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    4,128
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Total Rep Points
    2425
    Rep Adjustment Power
    36
    Quote Originally Posted by NAOS View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    We could talk about defense now or in any other thread that so often wanders off topic.

    I'll score it as a victory for my side anytime the Factoid Al Crowd realizes they don't control the terms of the debate. This stuff is debatable. It is debatable whether Al is an elite post player (i.e. efficient). If we were to grant the idea that he is elite (just for discussion), then it would be debatable whether or not this is good for the team. Etc.

    You were kind to his defense. Especially kind given that two better defenders are waiting behind him.
    Bulls start Boozer and Bellinelli. #1 Defense in the league. #2 Memphis starts Zach (and Gasol is no defensive ace, either.) Minnesota is #3 with Love/Pekovic. I'll never understand why people don't realize that defense is not about having a stud inside, and more importantly it's easy to compensate for weak defensive players when you everybody buys in. I'm watching the #6 Spurs now (on DVR, don't ruin it), and they have absolutely ZERO interior defensive presence. Tim does his job, but he scares nobody.

  8. #257
    Premium Member fishonjazz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    K-TOWN
    Posts
    43,050
    Mentioned
    126 Post(s)
    Total Rep Points
    94898
    Rep Adjustment Power
    100
    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    It's taken me a good 6-8 months but I've finally honed in on whos alt you are. You've been one of the hardest. Bravo.
    Not an alt at all, i promise you.

    And 6 to 8 months thinking of lil ole me? Aww shucks frank, i reckon you're sweet on me

  9. #258
    Premium Member fishonjazz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    K-TOWN
    Posts
    43,050
    Mentioned
    126 Post(s)
    Total Rep Points
    94898
    Rep Adjustment Power
    100
    Quote Originally Posted by billyshelby View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Basically, none of this happens. We go into the post no matter which of our 4 are on the floor. And when it goes into Favors, it's not coming out. If anyone on this team is a black hole, it's him. Kanter is much more apt to pass out if he can't get an initial move going, but that hardly contributes to the "ball moving around." He's usually diddled with it for a few seconds and quits. And there's plenty of times it goes right back in to him.

    I've got no problem with this. Favors will eventually need to learn to pass, but he needs a post game more. Kanter is getting better, he just needs more of an arsenal. But the irony is once he gets one, he's not going to be passing out much more either. While I love the potential of Favors and Kanter, you can be sure we'll hear about ball sticking if they're the starters next year (and that's not necessarily a bad thing.)
    Ya i acknowledged that we use favors and kanter the same way, however the difference between favors/kanter and jefferson is that corbin wants the offense to go through AL MORE OFTEN than favors and kanter.

  10. #259
    Senior Member NAOS's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Jazz Forum
    Posts
    15,932
    Mentioned
    85 Post(s)
    Total Rep Points
    29122
    Rep Adjustment Power
    100
    Quote Originally Posted by billyshelby View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Bulls start Boozer and Bellinelli. #1 Defense in the league. #2 Memphis starts Zach (and Gasol is no defensive ace, either.) Minnesota is #3 with Love/Pekovic. I'll never understand why people don't realize that defense is not about having a stud inside, and more importantly it's easy to compensate for weak defensive players when you everybody buys in. I'm watching the #6 Spurs now (on DVR, don't ruin it), and they have absolutely ZERO interior defensive presence. Tim does his job, but he scares nobody.
    I like you Billy, but I have a trollish response:

    Cool story. Would you like some Sexual Turkey?
    {size/HUGE} RUDY {/size}
    Pres. & CFO of Sefolosha Fan Club (PM for details)

  11. #260
    Premium Member fishonjazz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    K-TOWN
    Posts
    43,050
    Mentioned
    126 Post(s)
    Total Rep Points
    94898
    Rep Adjustment Power
    100
    Quote Originally Posted by billyshelby View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    As to Al, Brown Notes has been dead on. Going into the post is a good thing. It's also a thing Al is really, really good at. I've been killing this offense all year for the lack of cutters and movement once he gets it. He's certainly not missing cutters because, until recently, there haven't been any. The light bulb seems to have gone off on that front because there is much more fluidity in the last few games.
    So billy what changed these last few games to make the "light bulb" go off on the fact that there are more cutters/ball movement?

    Seems like the thing that changed is in one of the games al was out and the other game we went to paul more.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
About Us
We are a community of Utah JazzFanz that are passionate about our team. We celebrate the highs that come with last second heroics and (some of us) cry in defeat. Welcome to our community. Be respectful of others and join in to the conversation...
Join us