12-15-2012 12:34 AM
Rather than have a knee jerk reaction and call for gun control, maybe we ought to look at how we treat our mentally ill. Instead of pumping them full of anti-depressants and moving on to the next patient, maybe they should get actual treatment. Sure, guns make it a lot easier to kill people, but when we identify the threats and really try to help them, maybe that will stop some of this senseless **** that seems to happen all too often.
I haven't been able to do **** today because it just kills me inside thinking of innocent Kindergarten kids taken far too soon.
This news has shook me up today for two reasons. 1) I am disgusted that this happened. Why would somebody go on a shooting spree in an elementary school and then take his life? 2) I am appalled that I was not surprised by the news. We, as a country, have had a ton of random violence recently. The flavor of the day seems to be shooting up randoms strangers then taking one's own life. Are these individuals suicidal and simply trying to make the news? Or are these individuals mentally unstable?
I'll be honest. I heard the news, but I pushed it into the back of my mind because I had some finals today. However, when I found out that I knew the father of one of the victims, I was no longer able to avoid the devastating truth. I am truly saddened over the events today. I am physically sick to my stomach.
As far as gun control goes, I don't think there are any easy answers. The scary truth is is that we cannot control our neighbor's actions. Especially if that neighbor is suicidal or mentally unbalanced. We can only control our own.
However, one specific thing gives me consolation at the moment. Today, only one person's actions were evil. In turn, Millions of Americans have responded with prayer and good will.
Originally Posted by YB85
For truth. Until This country starts treating all illnesses including mental illnesses instead of perpetuating a culture where everybody is either a tough guy or under the radar we will continue to be the worst nation in the world in regards to health efficiency, and these types of crimes will only get worse.
It has nothing to do with Gun Control.
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What's really strange to me is how angry I am at this guy.
I'm not sure if I've ever actually been pissed off at killers other than 9/11. They usually don't seem real to me. But this guy really just pisses me off. I almost wish that I could have been there and been able to take this guy down. I wish he hadn't died. I'd wish upon him a lifetime of being beaten down in prison for a good 60 years before rotting in hell for eternity.
If this guy had been some terrorist, I'd be joining the army right now to take this guy's organization down.
I shed tears when I read the news from a zillion miles. I share the pain with the families.
Edit: I'm still crying, God damn him!
Based on what?
Originally Posted by Red Jazz Fan
I think there are some myths out there that need to be addressed...
#1 Gun control will do "nothing." Huh? Based on what? Look at Western Europe. Restrictive gun laws and very few murders done by guns. Besides, I don't think that anyone believes that "all" murders will stop because gun laws become more restrictive. But if it helps decrease the number and/or frequency, WHY NOT? lets try it. If it doesn't work we can always go back to what we have today. Lets try something different! We don't need to get rid of all guns. But more restrictions? Longer waiting periods? Tests? Training? Absolutely! Lets do something different because it's pretty obvious that the current system is failing.
The other issue too is that I keep hearing how these sickos will find the guns anyway. I'm not sure I buy that argument anymore. Lets assume that the only way to get these assault weapons is via the "black market." How do these sickos (who can barely manage their own lives) find the black market and afford the weapons? Guns, unlike drugs, do not go up in smoke or urinated away. I'm no gun expert, but can't guns and ammunition be traced? Do black market retailers really want to leave themselves vulnerable to prosecution by being linked to some of these crazies? I'd imagine that black market retailers would actually care deeply about who they're selling their illegal weapons to. They don't want to be seen. They don't want attention. They just want to maintain their business. If anything, black market retailers might care more about who they sell to than current (legal) gun salespeople.
#2 I keep hearing how if everyone were to "pack" we'd all be a lot safer. Serious question, has there been a reported case where an ordinary citizen packing either stopped or minimized the tragedy? I cannot recall any. Here in Utah, where "everyone" packs, we had a shooting just a few years ago up at Trolley Square. I don't recall any ordinary citizen blowing away the shooter. Perhaps all the packers ran away to save their own skins? Maybe they all missed? The shooter was eventually taken down by professionals. So if packing actually makes you "safer" why hasn't any "packer" stopped/minimized (any) of these shootings?
To me, this argument seems like a cheap parlor trick from the NRA attempting to sell more guns under the guise that it will actually make you "safer."
#3 Gun control talk being too soon. If we don't have the discussion IMMEDIATELY after one of these tragedies happen, then it won't happen. Just watch, in a few weeks this will be one bad memory as the rest of us go back to the daily grind. The national media will go back to bitching about the fiscal cliff. And the rest of us will, for all intents and purposes, forget about this tragedy. The time for discussion is now.
Last edited by The Thriller; 12-15-2012 at 02:20 AM.
How does gun control harm responsible gun owners?
Originally Posted by Red Jazz Fan
Also why are people so in love with thier guns? I picture people sitting at home holding and stroking thier guns and telling thier guns how much they love and care for them, saying "oh precious gun, what would i ever do without you?"
I grew up in a family with 2 other brothers and my dad all big time hunters.(chuckers, pheasants, turkeys, ducks, doves, deer, rabbits, grouse, pronghorn) I have hunted just about everything and i have had guns since i was like 5 and still have a couple of guns today.... but honestly if i never owned a gun in my life, my life wouldn't be any different from the lack of guns.
My guns that i have owned over my life have never done anything for me and have not been necessary in my life to achieve happiness or success.
What is it that people are so scared of gun control. Whats with the paranoia?
It's ok, go ahead and hand your guns over to your local precinct.
Originally Posted by fishonjazz
In the meantime..... the rest of us will keep the local burglar away from your house and family.
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Originally Posted by TheSilencer1313