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    Quote Originally Posted by Cocaine View Post
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    Sigh. This isn't about gun control. This is about sick individuals using said guns to commit crimes. There are many stories of people using knives and other weapons to kill 20+ people. Should we ban those, as well? While we're at it, just ban absolutely everything that could be used as a weapon.
    The difference is that a guns ONLY purpose is weapon, banning knives would mean no more cutting meat, or spreading butter on bread, or box cutters, etc etc.
    Banning guns would just mean no more shooting.
    (of course its already been established that there are too many guns already in america to get rid of them.)
    The whole reason guns exist is for killing..... knives have other purposes besides killing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSilencer1313 View Post
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    Yeah it is a little odd, but definitely legal.... and rightfully so.
    It is a senseless tragedy, but gun control does nothing to stop these acts of violence.
    The only real answer is to get rid of these gun free zones, so teachers and school officials can act fast in order to save lives.
    Ya lets get more guns around kids... great idea. Then what happens when a teacher who is making 30,000 per year and struggling to make ends meet, who just found out his wife is cheating on him and is now going throw a divorce and losing his kids and has to pay child support and alimony and possibly stops taking the prozac due to all the stress..... would you be ok with this teacher having a gun around your child? I wouldnt

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimLes View Post
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    No, I actually think that the solution to a crazed madman shooting randomly in my classroom is for me to pull out a bigger, badder gun, and also start shooting randomly. Good grief, do you read what you write?

    I'm a teacher. I teach. That's what I do. I don't have guns training, and I hardly think the Faculty of Teaching would provide me with any. I also don't think that even you're suggesting that I walk around with a loaded gun while teaching, so presumably I'd have to get the gun, remove the safety(unless you actually want the gun with the safety off in my drawer where the first kid who gets a chance WILL steal it), then turn it on the bad dude.

    Now, at this point, the bad dude has had some time to shoot. He doesn't exactly announce himself and chivalrously allow me time to draw my gun. He's probably shot me first if he's got any sense, and he probably does as they plan these things in advance. If he somehow hasn't, he's shot some kids and created enough panic among the rest that I'm much more likely to hit a kid(you know, 30 of them, but one bad dude) than I am to hit him. He's also probably got some sort of an assault rifle, and as was the case with the Joker guy, body armour. I have a clip holding 6 bullets. Unless I am running some sort of an aim-bot, I don't like my odds. Either way, the headlines tomorrow are either "Brave teacher dies in a pointless gunfight with a madman" or "Madman shoots 6 kids. Brave teacher shoots him. Also shoots 5 kids himself."

    Look, we can debate gun control and all that, but suggesting we'd be better off if absolutely everyone was armed seems like trolling.
    Having teachers carry guns in our schools around our children is the dumbest idea to come from all of this... Complete stupidity

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishonjazz View Post
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    Banning guns would just mean no more shooting.
    Good cus history proved:

    Banning Alcohol would just mean no more Drinking.
    Banning Mariuhana would just mean no more Smoking.
    Banning Cocaine Would just mean no more Sniffing.
    Banning Murder would just mean no more murdering.
    Banning child pornography means no more Sex with children.
    Banning Beastilaty means no more sex with animals.
    Banning terrorism means no more terror.



    yeah as history proves BANNING the symptom of something really works.


    When will we learn to attack the cause of something not the symptoms



    edit not that I compare pedophelia with alcohol drinking(just used some examples of banned stuff)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronco70 View Post
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    I disagree that loading people with issues up on antidepressants is "figuring out and helping mental health issues". That's just the modern day version of institutionalizing them. Besides, the issue (in cases like we're discussing) do not start with a disgruntled person. They start with the circumstances that lead to alienation, disenfranchisement, resentment, and ultimately rage. Throw in a media culture that glorifies violence, and it's only a matter of time.

    IMO, if we simply started treating each other better incidents like this would nearly cease.
    You must have missed the part where i said more people are also getting counseling than ever before.... so if counseling and drugs dont work for mental illness, then what do you suggest?

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    One important thing that I don't think has been mentioned in this thread (at least I don't recall seeing it):
    In this instance, the shooter didn't use his own weapons. So basically, he illegally obtained the guns he used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DutchJazzer View Post
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    Good cus history proved:

    Banning Alcohol would just mean no more Drinking.
    Banning Mariuhana would just mean no more Smoking.
    Banning Cocaine Would just mean no more Sniffing.
    Banning Murder would just mean no more murdering.
    Banning child pornography means no more Sex with children.
    Banning Beastilaty means no more sex with animals.
    Banning terrorism means no more terror.



    yeah as history proves BANNING the symptom of something really works.


    When will we learn to attack the cause of something not the symptoms



    edit not that I compare pedophelia with alcohol drinking(just used some examples of banned stuff)
    I guess i shouldnt have said banning guns would mean no more shooting.... what i meant was that if all guns were gone, like had never existed, then there would be no more shooting.... basically a guns only function is to kill, while all the other means of murder have other uses.
    Knives are used for more than just killing, cars are used for more than just killing, the ingredients in bombs, ropes for hanging, etc etc all have more uses than just killing.

    Basically the perfect solution would be to not have any guns even available, however i know that is impossible so once again there is no answer on how to stop this kind of thing from happening... **** happens and we are all ****ed

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigb View Post
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    One important thing that I don't think has been mentioned in this thread (at least I don't recall seeing it):
    In this instance, the shooter didn't use his own weapons. So basically, he illegally obtained the guns he used.
    Great catch.

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    In the case of a minor or unqualified person using a fire arm, I think the person who gave that assailant the fire arm should be held accountable for any consequences.

    Certain military-grade assault weapons should be banned for those who do not have an occupational need to have one.

    I don't think you can ban all guns rifles or handguns, however, and that would be an overreaction. It would be like banning automobiles because of a relatively small number of drunk drivers.

    My 2 cents. I don't own a weapon.
    Last edited by Catchall; 12-15-2012 at 03:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catchall View Post
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    In the case of a minor or unqualified person using a fire arm, I think the person who gave that assailant the fire arm should be held accountable for any consequences.

    Certain military-grade assault weapons should be banned for those who do not have an occupational need to have one.

    I don't think you can ban all guns rifles or handguns, however, and that would be an overreaction. It would be like banning automobiles because of a relatively small number of drunk drivers.

    My 2 cents. I don't own a weapon.

    Good post, im down with all of that.

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