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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
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    That may be but his entire stance in this thread has been quite unusual for him.
    No, it's totally normal for me. I'm all about legalizing everything except hurting another person in some way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by candrew View Post
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    I'm pretty sure he was talking about George W. Bush.
    No, he specifically said "2 terms of the most incompetent president ever".

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    Quote Originally Posted by moevillini View Post
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    it's the unbalanced (who are generally not what I think of when someone refers to the "bad element) that go out and randomly shoot strangers for no apparent reasons
    My choice of wording was poor, but by "bad element" I am talking about someone who obtains a gun specifically for malicious purposes.

    But either way, if we take guns out of the equation "unbalanced" people are no longer a threat?

    and not just that, but it seems to me (despite everyone's arguments here to the contrary) that there are just TOO MANY GUN OWNERS who have TOO CAVALIER an attitude about their weapons.
    What do you mean by "too cavalier an attitude"? Can you site some examples? Sure, there will be fanatics in any area, but I think you (and a big chunk of the country) are projecting. The Ted Nugent types are actually few and far between. But even at that rate, the Nuge hasn't shot and killed another person, to my knowledge.

    definitely needs to be mandatory jail time for anyone whose gun is used in a crime, whether it was stolen or lost - - especially if they failed to report it
    If a prosecutor could prove gross negligence, then some sort of punishment should be assessed. Aside from that, such a suggestion is not even vaguely reasonable or logical.

    and no more internet sales or sales at gun shows or other less regulated venues in my opinion, at least not without some very stringent checks and balances in place
    By "internet sales", do you mean private parties using the internet to facilitate a transaction, or do you mean ALL internet sales, period?

    If you think you can go on the webz, and get someone to ship you a gun, you're way off. There are a plethora of web-based retailers who are happy to sell you a gun. Upon receipt of your hard earned dollars, they will ship your gun to the FEDERALLY LICENSED dealer of your choice, where you can then pick it up, after a background check has been completed.

    Edit: Any firearm shipped (by dealer or private citizen) must be sent to a dealer with a FFL.

    Private transactions are merely facilitated by the ease of internet contact. As long as private firearms transactions are legal, how connections are made are of little consequence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronco70 View Post
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    My choice of wording was poor, but by "bad element" I am talking about someone who obtains a gun specifically for malicious purposes.

    But either way, if we take guns out of the equation "unbalanced" people are no longer a threat?
    I took "bad element" specifically to mean criminals and/or gang-banger types, most of whom will have some sort of police record by the time they reach adulthood. I was not referring to someone who just "snaps" and uses a gun to resolve a situation that displeases them. Or even someone who plans an attack, but is otherwise a law-abiding person. And I also don't consider the mentally ill, or others who may suffer from various disorders, to be the "bad element". I'm not sure the term "mentally ill" should be applied either; there are so many categories that I'm not sure there's any one blanket term to cover everybody. And many people do a good job hiding their problems at least to some extent, and if they've never sought treatment, I'm not sure the "mental illness" label would even apply.


    What do you mean by "too cavalier an attitude"? Can you site some examples? Sure, there will be fanatics in any area, but I think you (and a big chunk of the country) are projecting. The Ted Nugent types are actually few and far between. But even at that rate, the Nuge hasn't shot and killed another person, to my knowledge.
    Why are we always hearing about the kid who accidentally shoots his brother, or the kid who brings a gun to school, or the father whose 7 year old son kills himself while trying out a gun at a gun show, or the person (this was just on the news) who shoots himself while demonstrating his new gun's safety features. To me, these types of incidents certainly indicate that the gun owner has not been as careful as they should have been - ie, they've been too cavalier.

    If a prosecutor could prove gross negligence, then some sort of punishment should be assessed. Aside from that, such a suggestion is not even vaguely reasonable or logical.
    I've got nothing. We disagree big time. Perhaps as was mentioned in a previous post, where the guns are secured in a safe and the entire safe is stolen, maybe that person would bear little responsibility - so long as they reported the theft immediately upon discovering it. But there are cases where someone notices they can't find their gun that they haven't seen for weeks or months, and have no clue when it disappeared.

    By "internet sales", do you mean private parties using the internet to facilitate a transaction, or do you mean ALL internet sales, period?

    If you think you can go on the webz, and get someone to ship you a gun, you're way off. There are a plethora of web-based retailers who are happy to sell you a gun. Upon receipt of your hard earned dollars, they will ship your gun to the FEDERALLY LICENSED dealer of your choice, where you can then pick it up, after a background check has been completed.

    Edit: Any firearm shipped (by dealer or private citizen) must be sent to a dealer with a FFL.

    Private transactions are merely facilitated by the ease of internet contact. As long as private firearms transactions are legal, how connections are made are of little consequence.
    I'll take your word for this, since I have no experience with it at all. I have no idea how easy or difficult it is to get a gun. I know it's pretty easy to get a FOI (firearm owner identification) card in Illinois which is what you need to be able to buy a gun. Beyond that, the only time I was ever present for any sort of gun transaction was a gazillion years ago when I was dating a Chicago cop and he wanted to purchase a new weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishonjazz View Post
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    Cars and guns are different from one another.
    You could potentially kill just as many people with a car if you so desired.
    Playoffs here we come. Pass the damn Kool-Aid

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaltyDawg View Post
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    No, it's totally normal for me. I'm all about legalizing everything except hurting another person in some way.

    Bahahaha.

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    Ho ho ho.

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    someone suggested earlier that there would be a civil war if the govt tries to take peoples guns away. Why do people think they can fight back against the govt? I've never heard of anyone taking on the govt and winning...

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    There are 12,000 gun related deaths each year. There are 75,000 alcohol related deaths each year. Give up your beer and then I will give up my gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregbroncs View Post
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    You could potentially kill just as many people with a car if you so desired.
    Yes but that is where the comparison ends, which is why its a dumb comparison.

    You could kill people with just about anything, but most things have other uses as well.

    A gun can not drive me to work, but a car can.... See a car can kill people but it main purpose is not for killing.... A guns main purpose is for killing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beantown View Post
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    There are 12,000 gun related deaths each year. There are 75,000 alcohol related deaths each year. Give up your beer and then I will give up my gun.
    People drown every year... give up water.

    People die from food related illness every year.... give up food.

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