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    Quote Originally Posted by NCJazz View Post
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    Plan? One of the things that really kill me is for a team not going to win a championship we have Willams, older, and oldest at PG. Please explain whey we have not taken a chance on a young guy. Remember somebody named Matthews who was undrafted.
    Yes, but if the jazz got a young undrafted guy and he started to play well at pg, KOC would tell Ty to bench him so that KOC wouldn't haven't have to pay him alot of money to keep him.

    KOC is protecting the organization from another Mathews situation. Play aged veterans on one year contracts.
    Virtue lies in the struggle, not in the prize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBProfane View Post
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    Here's a telling statistic for this season: the highest +/- for a 4 player combination on the Jazz this year is Tinsley, Carroll, Hayward and Kanter who have posted a collective +51 this season. By comparison, Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka & Sefolosha have posted a +55.
    If the Tinsley/Carroll/Hayward/Kanter combo was going up against other teams starting units this would be a great comparison. Unfortunately this just shows that our bench is stronger than the other teams' which we already know.

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    "The plan" is Milsap and Jeff as tradebait.

    I do think the coach adn the front office are in full cahoots. It makes sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dipship31 View Post
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    If the Tinsley/Carroll/Hayward/Kanter combo was going up against other teams starting units this would be a great comparison. Unfortunately this just shows that our bench is stronger than the other teams' which we already know.
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    It boils down to this.

    Over the next three years, what is the games won if
    If Jazz play PM, AJ as primary bigs for all three years:

    If Jazz play PM AJ as primary bigs until trade deadline, win the risk and get an 'excellent fit' starter in return:

    If Jazz play EK, DF as primary bigs from this moment forward?

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    I know there isn't any conspiracy where the GM controls players' minutes directly.
    But maybe there is some element to KOC giving Tyrone certain veteran players (Foye, Jefferson, Milsap, Marvin) to limit the time that the young 4 see on the floor. Kind of an indirect method to raise trade value of players you don't want for the future and decrease contract value of players you do want for the future.

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    The plan is to win some games, don't take too many risks, and get to the playoffs. Getting into the playoffs and selling enough tickets to be profitable is a successful season. If we win some playoff games nice. If not, meh, as long as we're churning out a profit.

    It's pretty obvious what the plan is. We've seen it many times before.
    Get Educated

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weezur View Post
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    I know there isn't any conspiracy where the GM controls players' minutes directly.
    But maybe there is some element to KOC giving Tyrone certain veteran players (Foye, Jefferson, Milsap, Marvin) to limit the time that the young 4 see on the floor. Kind of an indirect method to raise trade value of players you don't want for the future and decrease contract value of players you do want for the future.

    Hopefully this is the method to the madness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Thriller View Post
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    The plan is to win some games, don't take too many risks, and get to the playoffs. Getting into the playoffs and selling enough tickets to be profitable is a successful season. If we win some playoff games nice. If not, meh, as long as we're churning out a profit.

    It's pretty obvious what the plan is. We've seen it many times before.

    More likely this is the actual method to the madness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBProfane View Post
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    Here's a telling statistic for this season: the highest +/- for a 4 player combination on the Jazz this year is Tinsley, Carroll, Hayward and Kanter who have posted a collective +51 this season. By comparison, Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka & Sefolosha have posted a +55.
    too few words that tells everything

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