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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
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    In 21 minutes only. Too small sample size.
    They are +51 in 21 minutes? Holy hell we need to see that lineup for 20+ minutes for a few games. We would be blowing everybody off of the floor.
    Playoffs here we come. Pass the damn Kool-Aid

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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
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    How's your one track mind doing today Foggy?
    Skip. Skip.
    How's your one track mind doing today Foggy?
    Pot calling the kettle black.

    My mind is actually open to other ideas and can be changed, much different than yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Notes View Post
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    What makes the lineups so tough to work out is that Millsap and Marvin are the only guys on the team with size that can defend the perimeter. Something we are still waiting on with Favs just like Kanter's post offense.

    Also the +/- stuff reinforces, it seems, my opinion that closing games with Marvin on the floor would improve the team more than any other one thing lineup-wise. He really helps the rebounding problem in particular.
    Yeah. There's a reason they're called stretch 4's. Everyone was freaking out when Favors wasn't put in to guard Ryan Anderson. It was an obvious move by CoTy but the JF usuals called for his head regardless. Jefferson and Kanter sure as hell can't guard a stretch 4, and Favors will struggle every time while not making them pay equally on the offensive end.

    I think you were the one who made a point about Marvin closing games in another thread. To that, I like Carroll in their at the three as well. Anything but a Hayward-Foye combination is good, with the possible exception of Foye guarding another combo guard with Haywad on a small 3.


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    I logged on the forum this morning to make this exact same post. It's very strange to me that everyone around the league (fans included) knows that Favors & Kanter both deserve more playing time. Why do the Jazz not realize this? Sure, Ty Corbin is ultimately responsible for how much PT these guys get every night, but Dennis Lindsey has to be watching these games and thinking it's time to trade Millsap or Jefferson, just so Corbin has to play Derrick and Enes more often. Kanter posts a positive +/- against Memphis, shoots perfect from the field and the line, and ends up with a team low 14 minutes. It's unfathomable to explain some of the rotation and coaching decisions from Ty.

    It's a wild and grand conspiracy, but are the Jazz purposefully limiting Favors & Kanters minutes so they can resign them for $8-10 mil/year instead of $13-14? I highly doubt it, but there is no other logical explanation for what is going on. The fact that Hayward has played about 30 minutes a game for a year or two pretty much kills the idea, but he also plays at a position where we are relatively thin on talent.

    I just have an awful feeling that we are going to alienate the future face(s) of our franchise if they don't see much playing time during their rookie deal. The Jazz front office seems to be content miring in mediocrity.
    Getting good trade value for Al and/or Millsap, plus our picks possibly, is the difference between making it to real contender status and being stuck under a 2nd-round ceiling. I think the Jazz are cautiously trying to make the right move while not fully showing their cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
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    Yeah. There's a reason they're called stretch 4's. Everyone was freaking out when Favors wasn't put in to guard Ryan Anderson. It was an obvious move by CoTy but the JF usuals called for his head regardless. Jefferson and Kanter sure as hell can't guard a stretch 4, and Favors will struggle every time while not making them pay equally on the offensive end.

    I think you were the one who made a point about Marvin closing games in another thread. To that, I like Carroll in their at the three as well. Anything but a Hayward-Foye combination is good, with the possible exception of Foye guarding another combo guard with Haywad on a small 3.
    Thats a good point.... i would rather have millsap guard anderson on the perimeter than favors.

    From what i recall on the play was paul and al had a simple miscommunication and paul got lost on a few screens.... Favors probably would not have done any better in that situation.
    I still think you should remove jeffy though and let favors play center for that defensive possesion, but it wasnt the reason anderson was open.

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    The current Jazz have a plan....similar to the basic offensive plan of most NBA teams: "Put it up....I got bounds!"

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    Here's another idea for a 'Plan behind all of this' for all you hardcore optimists out there.

    This season is an audition season. We're just trying to see who's going to fit with our young core from next year on out. This idea makes sense because most of the non-core players are on the last year of their contract this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weezur View Post
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    Here's another idea for a 'Plan behind all of this' for all you hardcore optimists out there.

    This season is an audition season. We're just trying to see who's going to fit with our young core from next year on out. This idea makes sense because most of the non-core players are on the last year of their contract this year.
    I'd be surprise if there are any of these left after tonight's game...

    I've lost all hope to be honest.

    Merry Christmas.
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    The Wizards just waived two back-up PGs--Earl Barron and Shaun Livingston. I wonder if they're planning to make a trade that will acquire one or more PGs in the deal.

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    The problem isnt talent, Utah has lots of it. We have a belief in winning, and leadership problem. If you notice Miami, Spurs, Boston they all have belief that they are going to win. Their coach gives them responsibility and holds them accountable. And most importantly the coaches job is to develop the good aspects of a players abilities, not try to rebuild him from scratch and focus on what they cant do. Ty Corbin is not a leader yet, he criticizes players and penalizes them for their wrong doings-instead of rewarding them for their good attributes. If you take out Big Al, or Millsap, or Kanter for a missed shot, or a travel... than you are inadvertently commanding them to play scared.
    Big Al has an incredible post game, and shot. Yet he lacks defensing ability because he isnt in best shape. So instead of giving him more minutes, focus on short bursts of minutes, yet give him the ball. The rest can be given to Kanter. Kanter has a good shot, which he should be taking more often. Also him inside game is pretty good. Its all about energy and how to focus it. I am not entirely convinced we need a trade yet. Perhaps Ty Corbin is the one that should go?

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