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    I do think Favs and Kanter have the potential to pass Z-Bo and Gasol, but it's not very likely.
    On one hand, Favors is the best defender of the 4. On the other, Marc Gasol is one of the best passing centers in the NBA and he's above 7ft.
    The best thing about Favors and Kanter is that they both run the floor hard and initiate contact. This is why they have the potential to pass Memphis' bigs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishonjazz View Post
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    Oh definately since kanter is shooting 55 percent from the field, gets to the line more and is a better offensive rebounder.
    Meanwhile, Kanter has a worse defensive rebound percentage (what we are really struggling with right now), a 10 point lower offensive rating, and turns the ball over at more than double the rate of Al.

    Favors is shooting 44%, has a 8 point lower offensive rating than Paul, and has no offensive moves to speak of.

    Not to mention they both get the **** blocked out of them.

    Playing the youngins isn't the cure-all you guys claim it to be.
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    I do think our half court offense would get a little worse, but the improvement on the defensive side would provide more transition opportunities.

    Also i think that favors and kanter would draw more fouls which would get the other team in the penalty more often and therefore get more free throws for the team as a whole.

    I think those 2 things might make up for the offense we would lose..... and we get the benefit of our young guys improving faster and much better defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaticWolf View Post
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    Meanwhile, Kanter has a worse defensive rebound percentage (what we are really struggling with right now), a 10 point lower offensive rating, and turns the ball over at more than double the rate of Al.

    Favors is shooting 44%, has a 8 point lower offensive rating than Paul, and has no offensive moves to speak of.

    Not to mention they both get the **** blocked out of them.

    Playing the youngins isn't the cure-all you guys claim it to be.
    You might be right that it isn't the cure-all.... most of us would like to find out if it is or isn't though.

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    a record of 6-1 without jefferson has to mean something though, right?

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    Optimizing this squad for wins now, the Jazz trade Kanter and X for a top flight point guard. A) that's not going to happen, and B) they still aren't good enough to contend with an Al/Sap/Favors rotation + Rondo i.e. + whatever combo of Haywad/Ma/Carroll/Foye is left.

    Kanter is the only one of The Four remaining in the All Star Potential category. His offense is very rough and limited, but shows much better potential than Favors.
    Favors has added a nice little baseline fade away. That shot is unguardable with his length, and will give him a foundation to add more moves to. It's been a nice play for those who've perfected it (Boozer, Rasheed) & I think Favors can too. He'll also learn the ability to pass into the high post from here if he's doubled.
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    Z-Bo & Gasol? That's a high reach. Z-Bo is bull down low, very craft & quick. Hard to see Kanter scoring like Randolph at this point. If he ever can then he'll be a legitimate MVP candidate IMO. Neither will ever pass as well as Gasol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaticWolf View Post
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    Meanwhile, Kanter has a worse defensive rebound percentage (what we are really struggling with right now), a 10 point lower offensive rating, and turns the ball over at more than double the rate of Al.

    Favors is shooting 44%, has a 8 point lower offensive rating than Paul, and has no offensive moves to speak of.

    Not to mention they both get the **** blocked out of them.

    Playing the youngins isn't the cure-all you guys claim it to be.
    I don't think most of us even think the young guys are a cure-all.

    I think most of us just realize that Paul and/or Al are as good as gone after this season no matter what. We're NOT winning the championship this year. So why not give the young guys the starting experience they need before the next season begins?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Purch View Post
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    Lets assume the Jazz front office trades Al and Mo for an upgrade at the point. And lets assume they trade Millsap for a good backup big and a draft pick ( Or something lol, doesn't really matter)

    Do they need a pass first pg to reach their full potential? Yes. Calderon is the best realistic target.

    Is Kanter much more suited to being a first scoring option than Favors? Yes

    Does Favors have the abilty to be a Tyson Chandler/Kg level defensive anchor? Yes to Tyson but he needs more intensity to be KG-like


    What does Favors do that makes him a better option than Millsap going forward? Defend multiple positions and creates fear around the rim

    What does Millsap still do better than Favors? Mid-range game and pass

    What does Kanter do that makes him a better option than Jefferson going forward? Hustle and most importantly doesn't need the ball every possession. Also fights for most rebounds which in turn seems to allow others to get the rebound if he is not able to.

    What does Jefferson still do better than Kanter? Score and score in the clutch

    Do they have abilty to reach the production of Z-Bo and Gasol? They will be a better defending duo but they will not be the offensive duo that those two are.


    I already know where I stand on these two, but what do you guys think?

    Does that help you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xsy View Post
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    I don't think most of us even think the young guys are a cure-all.

    I think most of us just realize that Paul and/or Al are as good as gone after this season no matter what. We're NOT winning the championship this year. So why not give the young guys the starting experience they need before the next season begins?
    And burn your bridge to Paul and Jefferson in the process? When you need to keep one of them, as it is unlikely that BOTH Kanter and Favors turn out to be great?

    You guys really don't think these things through. The Jazz are playing this the right way. Just watch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaticWolf View Post
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    And burn your bridge to Paul and Jefferson in the process? When you need to keep one of them, as it is unlikely that BOTH Kanter and Favors turn out to be great?

    You guys really don't think these things through. The Jazz are playing this the right way. Just watch.
    Instead they are doing thier best to burn the bridges with with kanter and favors right now.

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