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    Quote Originally Posted by Qman View Post
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    I am for capable, responsible citizens being armed. However, it is really difficult to determine who is responsible and capable. (Note: I am very responsible and capable. All of the rest of your are questionable. )

    It probably is reasonable to have some tighter checks guns to control who has them. IMO violent convicts and the seriously mentally ill should not have them. It probably is reasonable to force gun owners to have a way to lock them up.

    By removing all guns from society you probably could reduce the rate of murders. But would you increase the assaults, rapes, etc.? A gun is an equalizer between petite 90 pound woman and 350 pound ex-NFL lineman.

    This isn't a simple choice.

    IMO if someone is really hellbent on creating a massacre, there are many ways to do so. Firebombing, pipe-bomb etc. are fairly easy to make. Or for that matter a knife or sword is a very deadly weapon. Or a bow or crossbow for that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orangello View Post
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    Huh?
    It is a metaphor about Al Jefferson. Think deeply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thee jazz fan View Post
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    there ya go.
    Mostly good. Except a few things.

    Last year Jefferson was one of the most efficient post players in the league. His FG% to start is low, as it seems to always be, but it picks up as the season goes on.

    Removing Al won't magically create ball movement. We had a 15 page discussion on this after the Toronto game. Go read it if you want to know why.

    Memphis is one of the best defensive teams in the league. They put the clamps down on our offense, outhustled us. They made our wings work to cut, and our bigs work to set screens, and we gave up, AS A TEAM, trying to run the offense. This was the same whether Al, Kanter, or Favors had the ball in the post. Memphis shut down our ball movement, not Al.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaticWolf View Post
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    Mostly good. Except a few things.

    Last year Jefferson was one of the most efficient post players in the league. His FG% to start is low, as it seems to always be, but it picks up as the season goes on.

    Removing Al won't magically create ball movement. We had a 15 page discussion on this after the Toronto game. Go read it if you want to know why.

    Memphis is one of the best defensive teams in the league. They put the clamps down on our offense, outhustled us. They made our wings work to cut, and our bigs work to set screens, and we gave up, AS A TEAM, trying to run the offense. This was the same whether Al, Kanter, or Favors had the ball in the post. Memphis shut down our ball movement, not Al.
    I was at the memphis game.... best quarter was quarter number 2 when mostly backups were in, also that was when the crowd was the most engaged.

    The jazz bench gave us an 11 point lead at the half.... then the 3rd quarter our starters got destroyed. Game over

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishonjazz View Post
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    I was at the memphis game.... best quarter was quarter number 2 when mostly backups were in, also that was when the crowd was the most engaged.

    The jazz bench gave us an 11 point lead at the half.... then the 3rd quarter our starters got destroyed. Game over
    Sure, sure.

    Our bench had a nice 9-2 run against Bayless/Ellington/Pondexter/Speights/Gasol at the start of the 2nd.

    Then our Starters came in and capped it off with a 10-2 run and a 6-1 run against their starters.

    2nd half they locked down our offense. Our starters gave up the lead, and at the end of the third our bench gave up a 14-2 run against their starters.

    Our bench had a mini run at the start of the 4th, after which they immediately crushed us with a 6-0 run and held steady till the end.

    Funny how your memory deceives you
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaticWolf View Post
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    Removing Al won't magically create ball movement.
    Except that is has, and it will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolution 9 View Post
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    Except that is has, and it will.
    Answer this for me

    Was Z-Bo a black hole in Portland?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaticWolf View Post
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    Answer this for me

    Was Z-Bo a black hole in Portland?
    To be honest that has beyond nothing to do with this situation or Big Al.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
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    To be honest that has beyond nothing to do with this situation or Big Al.
    Actually it does. He was traded away in 07 as a supposed black hole. Now he is in Memphis, and I haven't heard him called that since.

    Was Z-Bo the black hole? Or was it that Sergio Rodriguez, Martell Webster, Darius Miles, and Juan Dixon were all terrible players, with poor IQ that didn't move much.

    We NEED Gordon, Foye, Mo, Marvin, to move without the ball when Al is in the post. When they lack hustle, or are downright lazy, that's on them, not Al.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaticWolf View Post
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    Answer this for me

    Was Z-Bo a black hole in Portland?
    A couple of years ago he was. Now they are using Gasol and Conley much more efficiently. That means decreased touches for ZBo as well as a different role.

    ZBo changed his game and he is now the second leading rebounder in the NBA.
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