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    Quote Originally Posted by orangello View Post
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    A couple of years ago he was. Now they are using Gasol and Conley much more efficiently. That means decreased touches for ZBo as well as a different role.

    ZBo changed his game and he is now the second leading rebounder in the NBA.
    This season for Memphis he is 2nd in shot attempts at 14 a game.

    Heck Jefferson even averages nearly double the assists of randolph.
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    There is so much more to the ZBo-Portland story it isn't even funny.

    But hey, y'all, it ****ing straight-up relevant because some Lunatic says so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NAOS View Post
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    There is so much more to the ZBo-Portland story it isn't even funny.

    But hey, y'all, it ****ing straight-up relevant because some Lunatic says so.
    Are all your 4500 posts this serious?
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    Quote Originally Posted by billyshelby View Post
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    Maybe. But you're assuming massive offensive development from both Favors and Kanter in a very short period of time. One of those two guys has to be able to score reliably in the post unless Dwayne Wade is relocating. Because nobody on our roster at the 1-2-3 is a number one option, and we're not getting one by trading Al or Sap.

    I've got no problem with taking a step back to start to start Favors/Kanter, but in that specific scenario, BOTH Al and Sap should be dealt so we can get maximum chips/players to build around that. Problem is: that's really risky.
    I hear you, but I don't think the productive cliff is as steep as you do.

    Also, I know Burks is a talented and interesting prospect... and that his perpetual DNPs are this season's #1
    tragedy.

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    Does it make any difference that Al has been the least efficient post scorer among the Jazz's 4 bigs (all of whom get a pretty big chunk of their shots out of postups) this season?
    I was gonna ask this, but it has become your responsibility to continually ask this question to the open air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
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    Like hell he is. Lunatic has much right to post here as you, I or anyone else does.
    it isn't about his "rights" Mr. Fair&Balanced. It's about my Grandma's preference that he stay away. Like Grandma, like grandson.
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    Actually Lunatic's reference is relevant. Because the way Al's being talked about at a younger age reflects the same way Z-Bo was being talked about until he had a team that maximized his abilities. Good point/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purch View Post
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    Actually Lunatic's reference is relevant. Because the way Al's being talked about at a younger age reflects the same way Z-Bo was being talked about until he had a team that maximized his abilities. Good point/
    Unless he is advocating that Big Al get traded, as happened to Z-Bo, then I really don't see as how it applies.

    Big Al isn't Zbo. They wont be the exact same player. Utah isn't Portland or Memphis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
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    Unless he is advocating that Big Al get traded, as happened to Z-Bo, then I really don't see as how it applies.

    Big Al isn't Zbo. They wont be the exact same player. Utah isn't Portland or Memphis.
    I think seeing how Memphis' offense has ball movement regardless of whether or not Z-Bo stops the ball, is a big difference between how we play when Jefferson stops the ball.

    I think what he's advocating for is that not all the blame should be on Jefferson but also a coaching staff that hasn't changed the way our players move when the ball is in his hands in the post. On Memphis when Z-Bo stops the ball, players are always cutting and always moving. The thing is Z-Bo doesn't get assist, but this allows him to read the defense, anticipate double teams, and make his work much easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaticWolf View Post
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    Sure, it'd be better.

    And our offensive production would fall off a cliff.
    Maybe in the short run. In the long run this team would finally be able to discover what they still need when one or both of the inadequate starters we currently have are gone. And maybe even move one of them for the pieces we are missing.

    But your right lets hold the status quo with the same boring/pathetic rotations and no growth for the future. Keep playing them until they leave this off season or we give Millsap 80M for 5 years or Jefferson that same amount. Then just discover next year if we have anything with the young guys. That should just about set us up to lose one or both of them to a huge market with a huge overpriced offer for a still sort of unproven therefore probably not worth it too us offer.
    Playoffs here we come. Pass the damn Kool-Aid

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    When Big Al has been out over the past two years I've loved the way this team has looked.

    Bring it on. Of course we'll lose things. You Big Al apologists always talk in extremes.
    Big Al isn't a horrible player, but as our main focus he will never get it done. At least not with our
    roster, and coaching staff.
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