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    I know that Sloan had a bad rap for not playing young guys... But...

    #1 I can't see Sloan being "down" with our offense the way it currently is structured. Now.... No offense with Big Al on it is going to look like the Showtime Lakers, Running Suns, or the Jazz when they they had Dwill, Booz, and Money Memo (or the Stock/Malone Jazz) in their primes. But our offense this season (and through much of last) sucks. Sloan would have only improved it. It would be impossible for him not to.

    #2 I don't see Sloan completely banishing Burks and never playing Kanter. In fact, Enes Kanter would probably be a "Sloan guy." Same with Carroll. Both are "junkyard dogs." In my book, more PT for Kanter and Carroll can only be a good thing. Burks, with his defense, would have seen PT.

    #3 After our ass kicking by the Pacers last night, Ty said it's, "only 1 game." Big Al said, "it's not the end of the world." Jerry, in his post game interview after benching the starters, screaming at them at the half, and then picking up 2 techs to be ejected in the 3rd, would have said something like... "I feel sorry for the fans who paid good money to watch this. The starters showed up in tuxedos. That's why our starters only played 10 minutes each for the game and I benched them. And if Al, Paul, and Mo keep pulling this BS, I'll keep playing Kanter and Burks 30+ minutes."

    Probably theeeee biggest difference Sloan would have made is probably theeeee #1 quality we lack...

    TOUGHNESS.

    It's difficult to quantify the difference Sloan would have made. It's certainly not difficult to qualify the difference he would have made.

    All Jazz teams under Sloan played hard and weren't pansie asses.

    We're pansie asses. Lets admit it. We prefer to chuck 3s than to actually fix it up inside, get to the FT line, or knock somebody on their butt on defense.
    Get Educated

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgt.mac.1981 View Post
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    Sloan knew how to use true 3pt shooters when he had them (Hornacek). Wouldn't need the 3pt shot as much with a true vision on offense. Al would have been forced to play defense or ride the bench
    Because Boozer was often benched for not playing defense?

    Sloan wouldn't do a heck of a lot better with this team...perhaps 3 games better. Jerry would still be playing the vets heavy mins. and not giving much time to Favors and Kanter. Sloan has a better grasp of the offense, but his defensive philosophy was terribly outdated. His strategy was based on funneling guys inside, where our "defensive shot-blocker" would shut them down (ummm, Jerry...Eaton retired quite some time ago) and leave the 3-pt shooters open since that's such a low-percentage shot.

    I don't miss Sloan that much. He drove me crazy with his substitution patterns and allegiance to aging vets. What I wanted was an established coach. Instead we got Sloan Jr. Nearly identical philosophies, but worsened by inexperience.

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    Probably the same. Sloan would make the offense run smoother, but he would probably make the defense even worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoTown16 View Post
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    Because Boozer was often benched for not playing defense?

    Sloan wouldn't do a heck of a lot better with this team...perhaps 3 games better. Jerry would still be playing the vets heavy mins. and not giving much time to Favors and Kanter. Sloan has a better grasp of the offense, but his defensive philosophy was terribly outdated. His strategy was based on funneling guys inside, where our "defensive shot-blocker" would shut them down (ummm, Jerry...Eaton retired quite some time ago) and leave the 3-pt shooters open since that's such a low-percentage shot.

    I don't miss Sloan that much. He drove me crazy with his substitution patterns and allegiance to aging vets. What I wanted was an established coach. Instead we got Sloan Jr. Nearly identical philosophies, but worsened by inexperience.
    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrone Torbin View Post
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    Probably the same. Sloan would make the offense run smoother, but he would probably make the defense even worse.
    When was a Sloan coached team worse defensively than this one? This team gives up more easy layups than any Jazz team I can ever remember seeing.
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    There isn't a more ridiculous or inaccurate myth amongst Jazzfanz than the one that states Corbin and Sloan both utilized rigid and unflexible substitution patterns, blind allegiance to aging veteran players, and possess identical basketball philosophies.
    "It's a loss. It's one loss on our home floor that we aren't happy with." -Ty Corbin, 12/26/12.
    "It's one loss." -Ty Corbin, 1/11/13.
    "Whether you lose by one or by 45 like we did tonight, it's one loss." -Ty Corbin, 1/28/13.
    "It's one loss." -Ty Corbin, 4/3/13.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregbroncs View Post
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    When was a Sloan coached team worse defensively than this one? This team gives up more easy layups than any Jazz team I can ever remember seeing.
    The late-Sloan Force-Middle-And-Foul teams were as atrocious.

    The difference now, though, is that we have better defenders. They're just getting too few minutes. Corbin made the right adjustments, he's just not policing them with his distribution of minutes.

    I think the full line change is also bad for defense. You've got to have a consistent thread of bad-ass attackers in there who set the tone for the guy(s) coming into the game.
    presenting, gregbroncs, writing at a time when we had a multiple game lead on LAC and a healthy Rudy Gobert
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    We have young players at those positions who can use experience. Right now Lyles isn't getting it but I have confidence that he will be back on the floor rather soon. Favors is getting better, Exum is rounding into shape. We are not getting past the 2nd round, we are unlikely to get past the 1st round. None of the options listed or available change that in the slightest.

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    It is literally impossible for me to care less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrone Torbin View Post
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    Probably the same. Sloan would make the offense run smoother, but he would probably make the defense even worse.
    Huh?

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